Co-Dictators Musk And Trump Destroy American Science

[Bradley K. Sherman]

|
| NIH cuts billions of dollars in biomedical funding,
| effective immediately
| ...
<https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2025/02/08/nih-cuts-billions-dollars-biomedical-funding-effective-immediately/>

--bks

[pothead]

Post by Bradley K. Sherman
|
| NIH cuts billions of dollars in biomedical funding,
| effective immediately
| ...
<https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2025/02/08/nih-cuts-billions-dollar
s-biomedical-funding-effective-immediately/>
--bks

Trump says science is politicial and the people will now believe what Trump
tells them to believe. No more socialist lies.

[CZCH]

On 8 Feb 2025 21:49:10 -0000

Post by Bradley K. Sherman
|
| NIH cuts billions of dollars in biomedical funding,
| effective immediately
| ...
<https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2025/02/08/nih-cuts-billions-dollars-biomedical-funding-effective-immediately/>
--bks

Yes this is good.

[[e-mail]]

Post by CZCH
On 8 Feb 2025 21:49:10 -0000

Post by Bradley K. Sherman
|
| NIH cuts billions of dollars in biomedical funding,
| effective immediately
| ...
<https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2025/02/08/nih-cuts-billions-dollars-biomedical-funding-effective-immediately/>
--bks

Yes this is good.

It's not 'biomedical research' that needs dissolution,
it's the NIH/FDA that need a giant enema. THEN there'd
be a LOT more for the real scientists/doctors.

[Bradley K. Sherman]

Post by Bradley K. Sherman
| NIH cuts billions of dollars in biomedical funding,
| effective immediately

| ...
| But the truth is that, even if you cared narrowly about
| quantum computing, there would be no bigger story right now
| than the fate of American science as a whole, which for the
| past couple weeks has had a knife to its throat.
| ...
<https://scottaaronson.blog/?p=8638>

| ...
| Closing comments now, since I don't want to host a
| discussion here of this at this time, and you can find
| better places for such a discussion. In any case, events
| are in the process of overtaking any sensible discussion of
| how to improve the current system. The US is now under the
| control of oligarchs and those who believe the way forward
| is to just start smashing anything with an aspect that fits
| in their long list of resentments. I don't see how this
| ends well, hope that I'm wrong.`
|
<https://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/?p=14365>

--bks

[Chris Ahlstrom]

Post by Bradley K. Sherman

Post by Bradley K. Sherman
| NIH cuts billions of dollars in biomedical funding,
| effective immediately

| But the truth is that, even if you cared narrowly about
| quantum computing, there would be no bigger story right now
| than the fate of American science as a whole, which for the
| past couple weeks has had a knife to its throat.
| ...
<https://scottaaronson.blog/?p=8638>
| ...
| Closing comments now, since I don't want to host a
| discussion here of this at this time, and you can find
| better places for such a discussion. In any case, events
| are in the process of overtaking any sensible discussion of
| how to improve the current system. The US is now under the
| control of oligarchs and those who believe the way forward
| is to just start smashing anything with an aspect that fits
| in their long list of resentments. I don't see how this
| ends well, hope that I'm wrong.`
|
<https://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/?p=14365>

Maybe there will be a two-minute warning at the Super Bowl.

[Bradley K. Sherman]

Post by Bradley K. Sherman

Post by Bradley K. Sherman
| NIH cuts billions of dollars in biomedical funding,
| effective immediately

| But the truth is that, even if you cared narrowly about
| quantum computing, there would be no bigger story right now
| than the fate of American science as a whole, which for the
| past couple weeks has had a knife to its throat.
| Closing comments now, since I don't want to host a
| discussion here of this at this time, and you can find
| better places for such a discussion. In any case, events
| are in the process of overtaking any sensible discussion of
| how to improve the current system. The US is now under the
| control of oligarchs and those who believe the way forward
| is to just start smashing anything with an aspect that fits
| in their long list of resentments. I don't see how this
| ends well, hope that I'm wrong.`

|
| Scientists globally are racing to save vital health
| databases taken down amid Trump chaos
|
| The mass-archiving effort is in response to the US Centers
| for Disease Control and Prevention removing some of its web
| pages.
| ...
<https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-025-00374-y>

--bks

[Bradley K. Sherman]

Post by Bradley K. Sherman
| NIH cuts billions of dollars in biomedical funding,
| effective immediately

| ...
| What the NIH announced was that they are immediately
| cutting all these indirect grant monies back to 15%, and
| this applies to current grants as well as future ones. Doug
| Natelson noted at Nanoscale Views (a very good post in
| general) that the wording of the announcement, in real
| mob-boss style, came with an implicit warning that at least
| they didn't go back and start asking for indirects that had
| already been paid out to be returned. But the announcement
| was shocking and infuriating enough as it was. It was
| worded as an amazing savings for the US taxpayers and
| simultaneously a great boon to US research because now a
| higher percentage of the money would be going to actual
| research as opposed to, y'know, that other stuff.
|
| This is of course bullshit. Anyone who knows anything about
| scientific funding realized that immediately, and realized
| as well that this rule was going to punch a gigantic hole
| in the budgets of universities, research hospitals,
| scientific institutes and so on. Pretending that this is
| giving more money to research is laughable; pretending that
| this will make things better and more efficient is even
| more so. Indirect research costs are real costs, and you
| can't make them go away by just saying that you're not
| going to pay for them. Try that sometime with your mortgage
| or your electric bill and see how that works for you.
| ...
<https://www.science.org/content/blog-post/continuing-nih-nsf-crisis-part-iii-indirect>

--bks

[Siri Cruise]

Post by Bradley K. Sherman

Post by Bradley K. Sherman
| NIH cuts billions of dollars in biomedical funding,
| effective immediately

| ...
| What the NIH announced was that they are immediately
| cutting all these indirect grant monies back to 15%, and
| this applies to current grants as well as future ones. Doug
| Natelson noted at Nanoscale Views (a very good post in
| general) that the wording of the announcement, in real
| mob-boss style, came with an implicit warning that at least
| they didn't go back and start asking for indirects that had
| already been paid out to be returned. But the announcement
| was shocking and infuriating enough as it was. It was
| worded as an amazing savings for the US taxpayers and
| simultaneously a great boon to US research because now a
| higher percentage of the money would be going to actual
| research as opposed to, y'know, that other stuff.
|
| This is of course bullshit. Anyone who knows anything about
| scientific funding realized that immediately, and realized
| as well that this rule was going to punch a gigantic hole
| in the budgets of universities, research hospitals,
| scientific institutes and so on. Pretending that this is
| giving more money to research is laughable; pretending that
| this will make things better and more efficient is even
| more so. Indirect research costs are real costs, and you
| can't make them go away by just saying that you're not
| going to pay for them. Try that sometime with your mortgage
| or your electric bill and see how that works for you.
| ...
<https://www.science.org/content/blog-post/continuing-nih-nsf-crisis-part-iii-indirect>
--bks

Beatings will continue until morale improves.

So what did NIH do Musk's businesses? Git along little doge is
just about Musk getting revenge on people who were mean to him.

[-hh]

Post by Siri Cruise

   | NIH cuts billions of dollars in biomedical funding,
   | effective immediately

  | ...
  | What the NIH announced was that they are immediately
  | cutting all these indirect grant monies back to 15%, and
  | this applies to current grants as well as future ones. Doug
  | Natelson noted at Nanoscale Views (a very good post in
  | general) that the wording of the announcement, in real
  | mob-boss style, came with an implicit warning that at least
  | they didn't go back and start asking for indirects that had
  | already been paid out to be returned. But the announcement
  | was shocking and infuriating enough as it was. It was
  | worded as an amazing savings for the US taxpayers and
  | simultaneously a great boon to US research because now a
  | higher percentage of the money would be going to actual
  | research as opposed to, y'know, that other stuff.
  |
  | This is of course bullshit. Anyone who knows anything about
  | scientific funding realized that immediately, and realized
  | as well that this rule was going to punch a gigantic hole
  | in the budgets of universities, research hospitals,
  | scientific institutes and so on. Pretending that this is
  | giving more money to research is laughable; pretending that
  | this will make things better and more efficient is even
  | more so. Indirect research costs are real costs, and you
  | can't make them go away by just saying that you're not
  | going to pay for them. Try that sometime with your mortgage
  | or your electric bill and see how that works for you.
  | ...
<https://www.science.org/content/blog-post/continuing-nih-nsf-crisis-
part-iii-indirect>
     --bks

Beatings will continue until morale improves.
So what did NIH do Musk's businesses? Git along little doge is just
about Musk getting revenge on people who were mean to him.

I'd not be surprised if there's some NIH connection somewhere which
would be a motivator for more petty revenge.

In the meantime, I'd be curious to see if the overhead rate that SpaceX,
Tesla, Starlink, etc have been charging the Feds is less than 15%. for
when they aren't, its YA "do as I say, not as I do" hypocrisy of MAGAs.


-hh

[Chris Ahlstrom]

Post by Siri Cruise

Post by Bradley K. Sherman

Post by Bradley K. Sherman
| NIH cuts billions of dollars in biomedical funding,
| effective immediately

| What the NIH announced was that they are immediately
| cutting all these indirect grant monies back to 15%, and
| this applies to current grants as well as future ones. Doug
| Natelson noted at Nanoscale Views (a very good post in
| general) that the wording of the announcement, in real
| mob-boss style, came with an implicit warning that at least
| they didn't go back and start asking for indirects that had
| already been paid out to be returned. But the announcement
| was shocking and infuriating enough as it was. It was
| worded as an amazing savings for the US taxpayers and
| simultaneously a great boon to US research because now a
| higher percentage of the money would be going to actual
| research as opposed to, y'know, that other stuff.
|
| This is of course bullshit. Anyone who knows anything about
| scientific funding realized that immediately, and realized
| as well that this rule was going to punch a gigantic hole
| in the budgets of universities, research hospitals,
| scientific institutes and so on. Pretending that this is
| giving more money to research is laughable; pretending that
| this will make things better and more efficient is even
| more so. Indirect research costs are real costs, and you
| can't make them go away by just saying that you're not
| going to pay for them. Try that sometime with your mortgage
| or your electric bill and see how that works for you.
| ...
<https://www.science.org/content/blog-post/continuing-nih-nsf-crisis-part-iii-indirect>

Beatings will continue until morale improves.
So what did NIH do Musk's businesses? Git along little doge is
just about Musk getting revenge on people who were mean to him.

I knew a research who wouldn't spend money on things like pens,
notebooks, and chairs.

This researcher would go to other departments and appropriate the stuff they
were discarding.

[NoBody]

Post by Bradley K. Sherman

Post by Bradley K. Sherman
| NIH cuts billions of dollars in biomedical funding,
| effective immediately

| ...
| What the NIH announced was that they are immediately
| cutting all these indirect grant monies back to 15%, and
| this applies to current grants as well as future ones. Doug
| Natelson noted at Nanoscale Views (a very good post in
| general) that the wording of the announcement, in real
| mob-boss style, came with an implicit warning that at least
| they didn't go back and start asking for indirects that had
| already been paid out to be returned. But the announcement
| was shocking and infuriating enough as it was. It was
| worded as an amazing savings for the US taxpayers and
| simultaneously a great boon to US research because now a
| higher percentage of the money would be going to actual
| research as opposed to, y'know, that other stuff.
|
| This is of course bullshit. Anyone who knows anything about
| scientific funding realized that immediately, and realized
| as well that this rule was going to punch a gigantic hole
| in the budgets of universities, research hospitals,
| scientific institutes and so on. Pretending that this is
| giving more money to research is laughable; pretending that
| this will make things better and more efficient is even
| more so. Indirect research costs are real costs, and you
| can't make them go away by just saying that you're not
| going to pay for them. Try that sometime with your mortgage
| or your electric bill and see how that works for you.
| ...
<https://www.science.org/content/blog-post/continuing-nih-nsf-crisis-part-iii-indirect>
--bks

Cry and whine harder.

[Bradley K. Sherman]

| ...
| Well, I'll speak on the record. Get this down: it's even
| worse than it looks. This gets back to my "three levels of
| corruption" idea, which I would summarize this way: Level 1
| is "Slip us come cash and we'll do something extra for
| you". Level 2 is "Slip us some cash and we'll actually do
| our job for once". And Level 3 is "Slip us some cash and
| nobody gets hurt". The biopharma executives who are flying
| in for personal audiences with Trump or staying quiet while
| muttering about needed to keep up good relations are hoping
| for some Level 1 action, bracing for a lot of Level 2, and
| are terrified at the thought of Level 3.
|
| They should be. Level 3 corruption is where government
| short-circuits into becoming a protection racket. And that,
| I should add, is one of the only ways in which our current
| president is capable of seeing the world and all the
| transactions in it. He's a real estate developer from
| Queens who came up as a protege of Roy Cohn - of course he
| does. His approach to dealing with Congress, to
| international relations, to trade, to most any issue at all
| is that of a mob boss: who's shaking down whom, who gets
| the payoffs, who owes the favors, who takes a cut. (Any
| attempts to argue this point in the comments will be
| ignored; this stuff has been glaringly evident for many
| years).
| ...
<https://www.science.org/content/blog-post/stand-and-be-counted>

--bks

[NoBody]

Post by Bradley K. Sherman
| ...
| Well, I'll speak on the record. Get this down: it's even
| worse than it looks. This gets back to my "three levels of
| corruption" idea, which I would summarize this way: Level 1
| is "Slip us come cash and we'll do something extra for
| you". Level 2 is "Slip us some cash and we'll actually do
| our job for once". And Level 3 is "Slip us some cash and
| nobody gets hurt". The biopharma executives who are flying
| in for personal audiences with Trump or staying quiet while
| muttering about needed to keep up good relations are hoping
| for some Level 1 action, bracing for a lot of Level 2, and
| are terrified at the thought of Level 3.
|
| They should be. Level 3 corruption is where government
| short-circuits into becoming a protection racket. And that,
| I should add, is one of the only ways in which our current
| president is capable of seeing the world and all the
| transactions in it. He's a real estate developer from
| Queens who came up as a protege of Roy Cohn - of course he
| does. His approach to dealing with Congress, to
| international relations, to trade, to most any issue at all
| is that of a mob boss: who's shaking down whom, who gets
| the payoffs, who owes the favors, who takes a cut. (Any
| attempts to argue this point in the comments will be
| ignored; this stuff has been glaringly evident for many
| years).
| ...
<https://www.science.org/content/blog-post/stand-and-be-counted>
--bks

Where was this person during Biden where level 3 ran rampant?

[-hh]

Post by NoBody

Post by Bradley K. Sherman
| ...
| Well, I'll speak on the record. Get this down: it's even
| worse than it looks. This gets back to my "three levels of
| corruption" idea, which I would summarize this way: Level 1
| is "Slip us come cash and we'll do something extra for
| you". Level 2 is "Slip us some cash and we'll actually do
| our job for once". And Level 3 is "Slip us some cash and
| nobody gets hurt". The biopharma executives who are flying
| in for personal audiences with Trump or staying quiet while
| muttering about needed to keep up good relations are hoping
| for some Level 1 action, bracing for a lot of Level 2, and
| are terrified at the thought of Level 3.
|
| They should be. Level 3 corruption is where government
| short-circuits into becoming a protection racket. And that,
| I should add, is one of the only ways in which our current
| president is capable of seeing the world and all the
| transactions in it. He's a real estate developer from
| Queens who came up as a protege of Roy Cohn - of course he
| does. His approach to dealing with Congress, to
| international relations, to trade, to most any issue at all
| is that of a mob boss: who's shaking down whom, who gets
| the payoffs, who owes the favors, who takes a cut. (Any
| attempts to argue this point in the comments will be
| ignored; this stuff has been glaringly evident for many
| years).
| ...
<https://www.science.org/content/blog-post/stand-and-be-counted>
--bks

Where was this person during Biden where level 3 ran rampant?

You can't cite a single instance of that.

[NoBody]

Post by NoBody

Post by Bradley K. Sherman
| ...
| Well, I'll speak on the record. Get this down: it's even
| worse than it looks. This gets back to my "three levels of
| corruption" idea, which I would summarize this way: Level 1
| is "Slip us come cash and we'll do something extra for
| you". Level 2 is "Slip us some cash and we'll actually do
| our job for once". And Level 3 is "Slip us some cash and
| nobody gets hurt". The biopharma executives who are flying
| in for personal audiences with Trump or staying quiet while
| muttering about needed to keep up good relations are hoping
| for some Level 1 action, bracing for a lot of Level 2, and
| are terrified at the thought of Level 3.
|
| They should be. Level 3 corruption is where government
| short-circuits into becoming a protection racket. And that,
| I should add, is one of the only ways in which our current
| president is capable of seeing the world and all the
| transactions in it. He's a real estate developer from
| Queens who came up as a protege of Roy Cohn - of course he
| does. His approach to dealing with Congress, to
| international relations, to trade, to most any issue at all
| is that of a mob boss: who's shaking down whom, who gets
| the payoffs, who owes the favors, who takes a cut. (Any
| attempts to argue this point in the comments will be
| ignored; this stuff has been glaringly evident for many
| years).
| ...
<https://www.science.org/content/blog-post/stand-and-be-counted>
--bks

Where was this person during Biden where level 3 ran rampant?

And Bradley has fled.

[Bradley K. Sherman]

|
| As many will have heard, the last few days have seen even
| more turmoil in the NIH and other federally funded science
| agencies. No one should have any doubt by this point: this
| is an unprecedented situation. There's no "Well, what was
| the result last time this happened", because there has
| never been anything to compare to this sustained assault.
| The stated reasons are things like efficiency, rooting out
| fraud, and ridding the government of diversity initiatives
| and "wokeness", but the size of these cuts and the ways
| that they're being done argue for darker motivations
| (revenge, hostility to expertise, and a deep, persistant
| incomprehension of how scientific research works and what
| it provides).
| ...
<https://www.science.org/content/blog-post/continuing-crisis-part-iv>

--bks

[Chris Ahlstrom]

Post by Bradley K. Sherman
| As many will have heard, the last few days have seen even
| more turmoil in the NIH and other federally funded science
| agencies. No one should have any doubt by this point: this
| is an unprecedented situation. There's no "Well, what was
| the result last time this happened", because there has
| never been anything to compare to this sustained assault.
| The stated reasons are things like efficiency, rooting out
| fraud, and ridding the government of diversity initiatives
| and "wokeness", but the size of these cuts and the ways
| that they're being done argue for darker motivations
| (revenge, hostility to expertise, and a deep, persistant
| incomprehension of how scientific research works and what
| it provides).
| ...
<https://www.science.org/content/blog-post/continuing-crisis-part-iv>

And Musk would undoubtedly like to obtain some of the work.

"Saving" 0.14% of the upcoming tax break.

[pothead]

Post by ***@ud0s4.net

Post by CZCH
On 8 Feb 2025 21:49:10 -0000

Post by Bradley K. Sherman
|
| NIH cuts billions of dollars in biomedical funding,
| effective immediately
| ...
<https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2025/02/08/nih-cuts-billions-dollars-biomedical-funding-effective-immediately/>
--bks

Yes this is good.

It's not 'biomedical research' that needs dissolution,
it's the NIH/FDA that need a giant enema. THEN there'd
be a LOT more for the real scientists/doctors.

Yep.
Highly corrupt organizations where the science becomes the $cience depending
on money to be made for certain individuals.

[Mitchell Holman]

Post by pothead

Post by ***@ud0s4.net

Post by CZCH
On 8 Feb 2025 21:49:10 -0000

Post by Bradley K. Sherman
|
| NIH cuts billions of dollars in biomedical funding,
| effective immediately
| ...
<https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2025/02/08/nih-cuts-billions-
dollars-biomedical-funding-effective-immediately/>
--bks

Yes this is good.

It's not 'biomedical research' that needs dissolution,
it's the NIH/FDA that need a giant enema. THEN there'd
be a LOT more for the real scientists/doctors.

Yep.
Highly corrupt organizations where the science becomes the $cience
depending on money to be made for certain individuals.

Modern Conservative: Someone who can take time
out from blasting evolution as "anti-Christian"
and "junk science" to demand the latest medical
advances from evolutionary biology be used on
them when THEY get sick.