Are "Athiests" only FOUR Percent ?

And only 2 percent call themselves Jews.

https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2021/05/11/the-size-of-the-u-s-jewish-
population/

Skeeter

2024-04-08 17:20:04 UTC

And only 2 percent call themselves Jews.
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2021/05/11/the-size-of-the-u-s-jewish-
population/

You let this shit make all your decisions.

Attila

2024-04-10 12:13:23 UTC

On Mon, 8 Apr 2024 01:42:44 -0400, "68hx.1805"

Post by 68hx.1805
https://www.newsnationnow.com/politics/religious-unbelievers-us-politics/
. . .
Hmmmmm ... according to this article, only FOUR PERCENT
of Americans dare call themselves "athiests"/unbelievers".
IMHO, "agnostic" is the CHICKEN-SHIT designation. Hey,
either call it all BULLSHIT or Go Fundie Something ....
SO many religions past and present. ALL of them INSISTED
that they had the INSIDE TRACK - the One True Faith.
Come ON - it's all BULLSHIT. Even the IDEA of "all-powerful"
gods comes with SERIOUS paradox issues ... religions are
just bad ideas from the Ignorant Age. Understood that from
when I was a single-digit age ... one of those 'epiphany'
things IN a church .......
Yep, still remember the 'pew' I was sitting in ... it
became All CLEAR - all the bits fell into line and I
could SEE ........ funky !!! Impressive !!!
Now "politicians" - THEY have to be CAREFUL how they
phrase un-belief.

The problem is the poplar pressure against atheists. In
most cases this would be a problem for employment and in
running for public office for example. At least there is no
longer public execution.
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
as I prefer to call them

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
Go WOKE. Go broke.
CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
End all social engineering programs.

I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion.
She want's it. All else is irrelevant

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

68hx.1805

2024-04-11 06:28:26 UTC

Post by Attila
On Mon, 8 Apr 2024 01:42:44 -0400, "68hx.1805"

Yea ... it's down to SUCKS and SUCKS MORE .....

Alas, Gen-YZA2 - don't really see any "statesmen"
anymore ... nobody sane/sensible/constructive to
replace that which SUCKS.

Theists always hate atheists/apostate ... because you
can argue/fight endlessly over who is the REAL God(s),
but THOSE people, well, they RUIN it ALL :-)

Maximus

2024-04-11 05:34:51 UTC

not really. atheism is about belief, agnosticism is about knowledge.
many atheists are also agnostics, as we don't dismiss entirely the
possibility that some supernatural entity could or may exist. we just
reject the assertion that a God does exist. we reject the existence of
God as a given, ie, a fact

Post by 68hx.1805
SO many religions past and present. ALL of them INSISTED
that they had the INSIDE TRACK - the One True Faith.
Come ON - it's all BULLSHIT. Even the IDEA of "all-powerful"
gods comes with SERIOUS paradox issues ... religions are
just bad ideas from the Ignorant Age. Understood that from
when I was a single-digit age ... one of those 'epiphany'
things IN a church .......

religion and theism stem from mankind's ignorance, that's for sure, as
an attempt to explain what is unknown, but ultimately they become tools
for manipulation and control of others, and a means to obtain wealth,
and therein is their greatest evil.

Post by 68hx.1805
Yep, still remember the 'pew' I was sitting in ... it
became All CLEAR - all the bits fell into line and I
could SEE ........ funky !!! Impressive !!!

yes many who were once christian or muslim, have become
atheist/agnostic. I'm of the opinion that the more a person knows about
the christian faith, the less likely they are to believe in it.

Post by 68hx.1805
Now "politicians" - THEY have to be CAREFUL how they
phrase un-belief.

--
“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23

"Christian beliefs cannot withstand reason, fact, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"

68hx.1805

2024-04-11 06:42:31 UTC

not really. atheism is about belief, agnosticism is about knowledge.

Um ... no ... "agnosticism" is COWARDICE.

The 'religious' lines/gospels/etc are SO ridiculous
and unsupportable that, at SOME point, you've just
gotta say "Nah !" and stick to it.

Hmmm ... the Brendan Fraiser "Mummy" movie ... the
little shit 'Bennie', faced with the mummy, pulls
out a huge ring of religious symbols/prayers to
try to appease the evil thing ....

"Agnostics" always have a pocket-full of little flags
to appease the Lord Of The Moment.

"You DO know that Elvis is dead, don't you ? No Slick,
he just went Home" ... the agnostic HAS to believe that
to some degree. UFOs are the people from Atlantis using
tech brought by L.Ron Hubbard's aliens !!! The agnostic
HAS to consider that.

Ridiculous.

Crap is crap - SAY so and carry on.

Phil Hendry's Chop shop

2024-04-11 16:50:14 UTC

On Thu, 11 Apr 2024 02:42:31 -0400

Post by 68hx.1805
Um ... no ... "agnosticism" is COWARDICE.

True.

Maximus

2024-04-13 02:56:07 UTC

not really. atheism is about belief, agnosticism is about knowledge.

Um ... no ... "agnosticism" is COWARDICE.
The 'religious' lines/gospels/etc are SO ridiculous
and unsupportable that, at SOME point, you've just
gotta say "Nah !" and stick to it.
Hmmm ... the Brendan Fraiser "Mummy" movie ... the
little shit 'Bennie', faced with the mummy, pulls
out a huge ring of religious symbols/prayers to
try to appease the evil thing ....
"Agnostics" always have a pocket-full of little flags
to appease the Lord Of The Moment.
"You DO know that Elvis is dead, don't you ? No Slick,
he just went Home" ... the agnostic HAS to believe that
to some degree. UFOs are the people from Atlantis using
tech brought by L.Ron Hubbard's aliens !!! The agnostic
HAS to consider that.
Ridiculous.
Crap is crap - SAY so and carry on.

you're saying all beliefs/non-beliefs are equally valid, which is
nonsense. I can believe aliens don't exist, but still allow for the
possibility that they may. that is just common sense. what you call
cowardice simply translates to the degree of confidence one has that
their belief is true, and the degree of probability that the belief may
be wrong. you may feel confident enough in your belief that some God
does not exist to assert it as truth, and not allow any possibility
you're wrong, but others may not be that confident. in matters of
belief, there's no shame in allowing for the possibility that the belief
is wrong. atheism and agnosticism complimentary. and agnosticism is not
an absolute position. being agnostic about some things, doesn't mean we
are or have to be agnostic about everything.
--
“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23

"Christian beliefs cannot withstand reason, fact, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"

68hx.1806

2024-04-13 05:40:57 UTC

not really. atheism is about belief, agnosticism is about knowledge.

Um ... no ... "agnosticism" is COWARDICE.
The 'religious' lines/gospels/etc are SO ridiculous
and unsupportable that, at SOME point, you've just
gotta say "Nah !" and stick to it.
Hmmm ... the Brendan Fraiser "Mummy" movie ... the
little shit 'Bennie', faced with the mummy, pulls
out a huge ring of religious symbols/prayers to
try to appease the evil thing ....
"Agnostics" always have a pocket-full of little flags
to appease the Lord Of The Moment.
"You DO know that Elvis is dead, don't you ? No Slick,
he just went Home" ... the agnostic HAS to believe that
to some degree. UFOs are the people from Atlantis using
tech brought by L.Ron Hubbard's aliens !!! The agnostic
HAS to consider that.
Ridiculous.
Crap is crap - SAY so and carry on.

you're saying all beliefs/non-beliefs are equally valid

That's exactly what I'm saying.

Don't care HOW elaborate your theology may be, it's
all unsupportable, evidence-free, CRAP. You may as
well believe in the Atlantian aliens ...

Maximus

2024-04-13 05:54:55 UTC

not really. atheism is about belief, agnosticism is about knowledge.

Um ... no ... "agnosticism" is COWARDICE.
The 'religious' lines/gospels/etc are SO ridiculous
and unsupportable that, at SOME point, you've just
gotta say "Nah !" and stick to it.
Hmmm ... the Brendan Fraiser "Mummy" movie ... the
little shit 'Bennie', faced with the mummy, pulls
out a huge ring of religious symbols/prayers to
try to appease the evil thing ....
"Agnostics" always have a pocket-full of little flags
to appease the Lord Of The Moment.
"You DO know that Elvis is dead, don't you ? No Slick,
he just went Home" ... the agnostic HAS to believe that
to some degree. UFOs are the people from Atlantis using
tech brought by L.Ron Hubbard's aliens !!! The agnostic
HAS to consider that.
Ridiculous.
Crap is crap - SAY so and carry on.

you're saying all beliefs/non-beliefs are equally valid

That's exactly what I'm saying.

and I explained why that's wrong and you snipped it all. obviously you
have no interest in rational discussion.

Don't care HOW elaborate your theology may be, it's
all unsupportable, evidence-free, CRAP. You may as
well believe in the Atlantian aliens ...

68hx.1806

2024-04-13 05:59:25 UTC

not really. atheism is about belief, agnosticism is about knowledge.

Um ... no ... "agnosticism" is COWARDICE.
The 'religious' lines/gospels/etc are SO ridiculous
and unsupportable that, at SOME point, you've just
gotta say "Nah !" and stick to it.
Hmmm ... the Brendan Fraiser "Mummy" movie ... the
little shit 'Bennie', faced with the mummy, pulls
out a huge ring of religious symbols/prayers to
try to appease the evil thing ....
"Agnostics" always have a pocket-full of little flags
to appease the Lord Of The Moment.
"You DO know that Elvis is dead, don't you ? No Slick,
he just went Home" ... the agnostic HAS to believe that
to some degree. UFOs are the people from Atlantis using
tech brought by L.Ron Hubbard's aliens !!! The agnostic
HAS to consider that.
Ridiculous.
Crap is crap - SAY so and carry on.

you're saying all beliefs/non-beliefs are equally valid

That's exactly what I'm saying.

and I explained why that's wrong and you snipped it all. obviously you
have no interest in rational discussion.

The Atlantians are WATCHING you !!! :-)

Sorry, there CAN'T be "rational" discussions about
theologies because they're all based on errors/BS.

Don't care HOW elaborate your theology may be, it's
all unsupportable, evidence-free, CRAP. You may as
well believe in the Atlantian aliens ...

Maximus

2024-04-13 06:05:53 UTC

not really. atheism is about belief, agnosticism is about knowledge.

Um ... no ... "agnosticism" is COWARDICE.
The 'religious' lines/gospels/etc are SO ridiculous
and unsupportable that, at SOME point, you've just
gotta say "Nah !" and stick to it.
Hmmm ... the Brendan Fraiser "Mummy" movie ... the
little shit 'Bennie', faced with the mummy, pulls
out a huge ring of religious symbols/prayers to
try to appease the evil thing ....
"Agnostics" always have a pocket-full of little flags
to appease the Lord Of The Moment.
"You DO know that Elvis is dead, don't you ? No Slick,
he just went Home" ... the agnostic HAS to believe that
to some degree. UFOs are the people from Atlantis using
tech brought by L.Ron Hubbard's aliens !!! The agnostic
HAS to consider that.
Ridiculous.
Crap is crap - SAY so and carry on.

you're saying all beliefs/non-beliefs are equally valid

That's exactly what I'm saying.

and I explained why that's wrong and you snipped it all. obviously
you have no interest in rational discussion.

The Atlantians are WATCHING you !!! :-)
Sorry, there CAN'T be "rational" discussions about
theologies because they're all based on errors/BS.

I thought the discussion was about atheism/agnosticism, as per your
original post and my replies. but if you're just here to say 'all
theologies are crap', then there's nothing more to be said.

Don't care HOW elaborate your theology may be, it's
all unsupportable, evidence-free, CRAP. You may as
well believe in the Atlantian aliens ...

Phil Hendry's Chop shop

2024-04-11 16:49:22 UTC

On Thu, 11 Apr 2024 15:34:51 +1000

Post by Maximus
I'm of the opinion that the more a person knows about
the christian faith, the less likely they are to believe in it.

That's just your narcissism and megalomania speaking though.

Maximus

2024-04-13 01:03:11 UTC

Post by Phil Hendry's Chop shop
On Thu, 11 Apr 2024 15:34:51 +1000

Post by Maximus
I'm of the opinion that the more a person knows about
the christian faith, the less likely they are to believe in it.

That's just your narcissism and megalomania speaking though.

no observed fact. easy to be christian is you believe everything your
told, and don't question anything
--
“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23

"Christian beliefs cannot withstand reason, fact, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"

Michael Christ

2024-04-13 01:33:19 UTC

Post by Maximus
I'm of the opinion that the more a person knows about
the christian faith, the less likely they are to believe in it.

That's just your narcissism and megalomania speaking though.

Mego Maximus

Post by Maximus
no observed fact. easy to be christian is you believe everything your
told, and don't question anything

No, that is just your narcissism and megalomania speaking, in the "full
of yourself" superficial mindbogglingly stupid ignorance and arrogance,
Moronimus Maximus.

Other than that, it is all good.

Micheal Christ
--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30 I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God, God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

"Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners."

"Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any
exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."

Dawn Flood

2024-04-13 05:53:20 UTC

Post by Maximus
I'm of the opinion that the more a person knows about
the christian faith, the less likely they are to believe in it.

That's just your narcissism and megalomania speaking though.

Mego Maximus

Post by Maximus
no observed fact. easy to be christian is you believe everything your
told, and don't question anything

No, that is just your narcissism and megalomania speaking, in the "full
of yourself" superficial mindbogglingly stupid ignorance and arrogance,
Moronimus Maximus.
Other than that, it is all good.

Michael,

With a God, I can imagine a universe that is vastly, vastly different
than the one that we are living in now in almost innumerably different
ways. As it is, things seem to me to be far too "natural".

Dawn

Michael Christ

2024-04-13 08:46:09 UTC

Post by Maximus
I'm of the opinion that the more a person knows about
the christian faith, the less likely they are to believe in it.

That's just your narcissism and megalomania speaking though.

Mego Maximus

Post by Maximus
no observed fact. easy to be christian is you believe everything your
told, and don't question anything

No, that is just your narcissism and megalomania speaking, in the
"full of yourself" superficial mindbogglingly stupid ignorance and
arrogance, Moronimus Maximus.
Other than that, it is all good.

Michael,
With a God, I can imagine a universe that is vastly, vastly different
than the one that we are living in now in almost innumerably different
ways.

Immeasurably.

This universe is already dead, so obviously. It is only an appearance of
"living." Death is not just in the grave; marching towards the grave is
death. Our cells tell you from the moment we are born that the replacing
cells are not quite the same, as good, as the original.

Post by Dawn Flood
As it is, things seem to me to be far too "natural".
Dawn

Do you know why life appears to go on? Because it does. Now, if the
atheist theory of stupidity were true according to the natural view
(truth), we wouldn't even have such a thought.

When are you ever going to mature enough to postulate there may be more
to life than what your natural perception is telling you?

Do you really think that a new born life and all the personality in that
new life is just natural? Then how do you get that one-of personality
from impersonal matter and energy elements and into the nature of
billions with personality.

Physics will never provide an answer to that, proving there is more to
life than physics (science).

Once again, you have me dancing to your tune, Dawn, but I am not going
to keep doing that forever.

Michael Christ
--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30 I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God, God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

"Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners."

"Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any
exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."

Maximus

2024-04-20 08:38:05 UTC

Post by Maximus
I'm of the opinion that the more a person knows about
the christian faith, the less likely they are to believe in it.

That's just your narcissism and megalomania speaking though.

Mego Maximus

Post by Maximus
no observed fact. easy to be christian is you believe everything
your told, and don't question anything

No, that is just your narcissism and megalomania speaking, in the
"full of yourself" superficial mindbogglingly stupid ignorance and
arrogance, Moronimus Maximus.
Other than that, it is all good.

Michael,
With a God, I can imagine a universe that is vastly, vastly different
than the one that we are living in now in almost innumerably
different ways.

Immeasurably.
This universe is already dead, so obviously. It is only an appearance
of "living." Death is not just in the grave; marching towards the
grave is death. Our cells tell you from the moment we are born that
the replacing cells are not quite the same, as good, as the original.

Post by Dawn Flood
As it is, things seem to me to be far too "natural".
Dawn

so are you saying personality is from some sort of God presence within?
if so what about animals? they have personalities too. do they too have
some divine presence within?

Post by Michael Christ
Once again, you have me dancing to your tune, Dawn, but I am not going
to keep doing that forever.

translation: I will not engage in rational debate. i just want to spruik
my gobbledygook

Post by Michael Christ
Michael Christ

Mitchell Holman

2024-04-20 13:33:43 UTC

Post by Maximus
I'm of the opinion that the more a person knows about
the christian faith, the less likely they are to believe in it.

That's just your narcissism and megalomania speaking though.

Mego Maximus

Post by Maximus
no observed fact. easy to be christian is you believe everything
your told, and don't question anything

No, that is just your narcissism and megalomania speaking, in the
"full of yourself" superficial mindbogglingly stupid ignorance and
arrogance, Moronimus Maximus.
Other than that, it is all good.

Michael,
With a God, I can imagine a universe that is vastly, vastly different
than the one that we are living in now in almost innumerably
different ways.

Immeasurably.
This universe is already dead, so obviously. It is only an appearance
of "living." Death is not just in the grave; marching towards the
grave is death. Our cells tell you from the moment we are born that
the replacing cells are not quite the same, as good, as the original.

Post by Dawn Flood
As it is, things seem to me to be far too "natural".
Dawn

so are you saying personality is from some sort of God presence within?
if so what about animals? they have personalities too. do they too have
some divine presence within?

Bingo. Genesis went to great length
to separate animals from people when it
comes to divinity yet when God was angry
about "corruption" he drowned the animals
along with people.

Post by Michael Christ
Once again, you have me dancing to your tune, Dawn, but I am not going
to keep doing that forever.

translation: I will not engage in rational debate. i just want to spruik
my gobbledygook

This is the equivalant of Robert's
"This conversation is over" whenever you
catch him in a contradiction or a claim
he cannot prove.

Dawn Flood

2024-04-20 16:46:22 UTC

Post by Maximus
I'm of the opinion that the more a person knows about
the christian faith, the less likely they are to believe in it.

That's just your narcissism and megalomania speaking though.

Mego Maximus

Post by Maximus
no observed fact. easy to be christian is you believe everything
your told, and don't question anything

No, that is just your narcissism and megalomania speaking, in the
"full of yourself" superficial mindbogglingly stupid ignorance and
arrogance, Moronimus Maximus.
Other than that, it is all good.

Michael,
With a God, I can imagine a universe that is vastly, vastly different
than the one that we are living in now in almost innumerably
different ways.

Immeasurably.
This universe is already dead, so obviously. It is only an appearance
of "living." Death is not just in the grave; marching towards the
grave is death. Our cells tell you from the moment we are born that
the replacing cells are not quite the same, as good, as the original.

Post by Dawn Flood
As it is, things seem to me to be far too "natural".
Dawn

so are you saying personality is from some sort of God presence within?
if so what about animals? they have personalities too. do they too have
some divine presence within?

Bingo. Genesis went to great length
to separate animals from people when it
comes to divinity yet when God was angry
about "corruption" he drowned the animals
along with people.

Post by Michael Christ
Once again, you have me dancing to your tune, Dawn, but I am not going
to keep doing that forever.

translation: I will not engage in rational debate. i just want to

spruik

Post by Maximus
my gobbledygook

This is the equivalant of Robert's
"This conversation is over" whenever you
catch him in a contradiction or a claim
he cannot prove.

I hope that you are able to listen to that 7-hour debate between
Professor Bart Ehrman and Dr. Mike Licona, the latter who admitted
during the debate that a believer is susceptible to losing their faith
unless they are "grounded", a candid admission that to believe is to be
brainwashed.

Dawn

Mitchell Holman

2024-04-20 18:20:57 UTC

Post by Maximus
I'm of the opinion that the more a person knows about
the christian faith, the less likely they are to believe in it.

That's just your narcissism and megalomania speaking though.

Mego Maximus

Post by Maximus
no observed fact. easy to be christian is you believe everything
your told, and don't question anything

No, that is just your narcissism and megalomania speaking, in the
"full of yourself" superficial mindbogglingly stupid ignorance and
arrogance, Moronimus Maximus.
Other than that, it is all good.

Michael,
With a God, I can imagine a universe that is vastly, vastly different
than the one that we are living in now in almost innumerably
different ways.

Immeasurably.
This universe is already dead, so obviously. It is only an

appearance

Post by Michael Christ
of "living." Death is not just in the grave; marching towards the
grave is death. Our cells tell you from the moment we are born that
the replacing cells are not quite the same, as good, as the

original.

Post by Dawn Flood
As it is, things seem to me to be far too "natural".
Dawn

so are you saying personality is from some sort of God presence within?
if so what about animals? they have personalities too. do they too have
some divine presence within?

Bingo. Genesis went to great length
to separate animals from people when it
comes to divinity yet when God was angry
about "corruption" he drowned the animals
along with people.

Post by Michael Christ
Once again, you have me dancing to your tune, Dawn, but I am not going
to keep doing that forever.

translation: I will not engage in rational debate. i just want to

spruik

Post by Maximus
my gobbledygook

This is the equivalant of Robert's
"This conversation is over" whenever you
catch him in a contradiction or a claim
he cannot prove.

All arguments with all Christians
eventually boil down to "you just have
to have faith".

Maybe that is why so many have
come here and left, they cannot prove
any of their claims.

Lil-man-ball

2024-04-20 18:40:57 UTC

On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 18:20:57 +0000

Post by Mitchell Holman
All arguments with all Christians
eventually boil down to "you just have
to have faith".

All arguments with secular demons come down to - we have no faith.

Michael Christ

2024-04-21 00:36:13 UTC

Post by Lil-man-ball
On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 18:20:57 +0000

Post by Mitchell Holman
All arguments with all Christians
eventually boil down to "you just have
to have faith".

All arguments with secular demons come down to - we have no faith.

...in God, in the Creator they know exists.

But they do have faith in something, though, in themselves, and good
luck with that!

Failure is not a thing one should have faith in.

Michael Christ
--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30 I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God, God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

"Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners."

"Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any
exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."

Dawn Flood

2024-04-21 16:03:54 UTC

Post by Lil-man-ball
On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 18:20:57 +0000

Post by Mitchell Holman
All arguments with all Christians
eventually boil down to "you just have
to have faith".

All arguments with secular demons come down to - we have no faith.

This is false. I have faith that the laws of nature will continue this
afternoon and into tomorrow & beyond, but unlike religious faith, my
faith is falsifiable. It is possible that beginning tomorrow that
apples may start rising up from the ground, but until then, the
description of the physical world given by modern science at least
implies "almost surely" that such will *not* happen.

Dawn

Little@man.Ball

2024-04-21 16:50:36 UTC

On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 11:03:54 -0500

Post by Dawn Flood
I have faith that the laws of nature will continue this
afternoon and into tomorrow & beyond, but unlike religious faith, my
faith is falsifiable.

Only in a transitive sense, you have no proof of next year.

Little@man.Ball

2024-04-21 16:51:37 UTC

On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 11:03:54 -0500

Post by Lil-man-ball
All arguments with secular demons come down to - we have no faith.

This is false.

No.

It is true!

Andrew

2024-04-21 18:02:44 UTC

Post by Dawn Flood
This is false. I have faith that the laws of nature will continue this
afternoon and into tomorrow & beyond, but unlike religious faith, my
faith is falsifiable. It is possible that beginning tomorrow that
apples may start rising up from the ground, but until then, the
description of the physical world given by modern science at least
implies "almost surely" that such will *not* happen.
Dawn

The laws of nature all point to the fact that we have a Creator.
Such as the Law of Biogenesis, which says that all life comes
from previous existing life. Never an exception ever. It is a
Law of science.

Then we can get into the Laws of thermo, and the existence of
matter..

Dawn Flood

2024-04-21 19:21:09 UTC

Post by Andrew

This is false. I have faith that the laws of nature will continue
this afternoon and into tomorrow & beyond, but unlike religious faith,
my faith is falsifiable. It is possible that beginning tomorrow that
apples may start rising up from the ground, but until then, the
description of the physical world given by modern science at least
implies "almost surely" that such will *not* happen.
Dawn

The laws of nature all point to the fact that we have a Creator.
Such as the Law of Biogenesis, which says that all life comes
from previous existing life. Never an exception ever. It is a
Law of science.
Then we can get into the Laws of thermo, and the existence of
matter..

We've going through this ad nauseam, Andrew; point to a single
scientific paper and/or textbook that supports your POV. We can also
talk about the Kitzmiller v. Dover decision, but you have your
explanations as to that outcome, also, don't you?

Dawn

Robert

2024-04-20 18:55:28 UTC

Post by Maximus
I'm of the opinion that the more a person knows about
the christian faith, the less likely they are to believe in it.

That's just your narcissism and megalomania speaking though.

Mego Maximus

Post by Maximus
no observed fact. easy to be christian is you believe everything
your told, and don't question anything

No, that is just your narcissism and megalomania speaking, in the
"full of yourself" superficial mindbogglingly stupid ignorance and
arrogance, Moronimus Maximus.
Other than that, it is all good.

Michael,
With a God, I can imagine a universe that is vastly, vastly

different

Post by Dawn Flood
than the one that we are living in now in almost innumerably
different ways.

Immeasurably.
This universe is already dead, so obviously. It is only an

appearance

original.

Post by Dawn Flood
As it is, things seem to me to be far too "natural".
Dawn

Post by Michael Christ
life than physics (science).

so are you saying personality is from some sort of God presence

within?

Post by Maximus
if so what about animals? they have personalities too. do they too

have

Post by Maximus
some divine presence within?

Bingo. Genesis went to great length
to separate animals from people when it
comes to divinity yet when God was angry
about "corruption" he drowned the animals
along with people.

Post by Michael Christ
Once again, you have me dancing to your tune, Dawn, but I am not

going

Post by Michael Christ
to keep doing that forever.

translation: I will not engage in rational debate. i just want to

spruik

Post by Maximus
my gobbledygook

This is the equivalant of Robert's
"This conversation is over" whenever you
catch him in a contradiction or a claim
he cannot prove.

All arguments with all Christians
eventually boil down to "you just have
to have faith".

“And when Jesus departed thence, two blind men followed him, crying, and
saying, Thou Son of David, have mercy on us. And when he was come into the
house, the blind men came to him: and Jesus saith unto them, Believe ye that
I am able to do this? They said unto him, Yea, Lord. Then touched he their
eyes, saying, According to your faith be it unto you.” (Mat 9:27-29, KJV)

The law of faith (note, Mat 8:13).

“But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a
wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed. For let not that man think
that he shall receive any thing of the Lord. A double minded man is unstable
in all his ways.” (Jas 1:6-8, KJV)

Post by Dawn Flood
Maybe that is why so many have
come here and left, they cannot prove
any of their claims.

How many years were you taught things regarding to the Bible after you
graduated from High School before you bailed out? I never did hear what your
reasons were for bailing out. And you were asked, politely.

Maximus

2024-04-20 23:37:04 UTC

Post by Maximus
I'm of the opinion that the more a person knows about
the christian faith, the less likely they are to believe in it.

That's just your narcissism and megalomania speaking though.

Mego Maximus

Post by Maximus
no observed fact. easy to be christian is you believe everything
your told, and don't question anything

No, that is just your narcissism and megalomania speaking, in the
"full of yourself" superficial mindbogglingly stupid ignorance and
arrogance, Moronimus Maximus.
Other than that, it is all good.

Michael,
With a God, I can imagine a universe that is vastly, vastly

different

Post by Dawn Flood
than the one that we are living in now in almost innumerably
different ways.

Immeasurably.
This universe is already dead, so obviously. It is only an

appearance

original.

Post by Dawn Flood
As it is, things seem to me to be far too "natural".
Dawn

Post by Michael Christ
life than physics (science).

so are you saying personality is from some sort of God presence

within?

Post by Maximus
if so what about animals? they have personalities too. do they too

have

Post by Maximus
some divine presence within?

Bingo. Genesis went to great length
to separate animals from people when it
comes to divinity yet when God was angry
about "corruption" he drowned the animals
along with people.

Post by Michael Christ
Once again, you have me dancing to your tune, Dawn, but I am not

going

Post by Michael Christ
to keep doing that forever.

translation: I will not engage in rational debate. i just want to

spruik

Post by Maximus
my gobbledygook

This is the equivalant of Robert's
"This conversation is over" whenever you
catch him in a contradiction or a claim
he cannot prove.

All arguments with all Christians
eventually boil down to "you just have
to have faith".

Matthew 17:20: "Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a
mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’
and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you.”

when has any Christian ever moved any mountain. but supposedly the
tiniest amount of faith would make it possible.

Post by Robert
The law of faith (note, Mat 8:13).
“But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a
wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed. For let not that man think
that he shall receive any thing of the Lord. A double minded man is unstable
in all his ways.” (Jas 1:6-8, KJV)

Post by Dawn Flood
Maybe that is why so many have
come here and left, they cannot prove
any of their claims.

TT Liams

2024-04-21 00:14:26 UTC

Post by Maximus
I'm of the opinion that the more a person knows
about the christian faith, the less likely they
are to believe in it.

That's just your narcissism and megalomania
speaking though.

Mego Maximus

Post by Maximus
no observed fact. easy to be christian is you
believe everything your told, and don't question
anything

No, that is just your narcissism and megalomania
speaking, in the "full of yourself" superficial
mindbogglingly stupid ignorance and arrogance,
Moronimus Maximus.
Other than that, it is all good.

Michael,
With a God, I can imagine a universe that is vastly, vastly

different

Post by Dawn Flood
than the one that we are living in now in almost
innumerably different ways.

Immeasurably.
This universe is already dead, so obviously. It is only an

appearance

Post by Michael Christ
of "living." Death is not just in the grave; marching
towards the grave is death. Our cells tell you from the
moment we are born that the replacing cells are not quite
the same, as good, as the

original.

Post by Dawn Flood
As it is, things seem to me to be far too "natural".
Dawn

Post by Michael Christ
life than physics (science).

so are you saying personality is from some sort of God presence

within?

Post by Maximus
if so what about animals? they have personalities too. do they too

have

Post by Maximus
some divine presence within?

Bingo. Genesis went to great length
to separate animals from people when it
comes to divinity yet when God was angry
about "corruption" he drowned the animals
along with people.

Post by Michael Christ
Once again, you have me dancing to your tune, Dawn, but I am not

going

Post by Michael Christ
to keep doing that forever.

translation: I will not engage in rational debate. i just want to

spruik

Post by Maximus
my gobbledygook

This is the equivalant of Robert's
"This conversation is over" whenever you
catch him in a contradiction or a claim
he cannot prove.

I hope that you are able to listen to that 7-hour debate between
Professor Bart Ehrman and Dr. Mike Licona, the latter who
admitted during the debate that a believer is susceptible to
losing their faith unless they are "grounded", a candid
admission that to believe is to be brainwashed.
Dawn

All arguments with all Christians
eventually boil down to "you just have
to have faith".

Matthew 17:20: "Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a
mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to
there,’ and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you.”
when has any Christian ever moved any mountain. but supposedly the
tiniest amount of faith would make it possible.

That's cause its not worth it. My cousin moved a mountain once &
accidentally set it down on his car & the insurance company refused to
pay & also some of the ppl that live on the mountain got mad cause now
they got to drive farther to work. He say's he'll never do it again.

--
No Jesus, no piece

No Jesus, no piece

Maximus

2024-04-21 01:24:26 UTC

Maximus in his grandeur with incredible ignorance

Post by Maximus
I'm of the opinion that the more a person knows
about the christian faith, the less likely they
are to believe in it.

That's just your narcissism and megalomania
speaking though.

Mego Maximus

Post by Maximus
no observed fact. easy to be christian is you
believe everything your told, and don't question
anything

No, that is just your narcissism and megalomania
speaking, in the "full of yourself" superficial
mindbogglingly stupid ignorance and arrogance,
Moronimus Maximus.
Other than that, it is all good.

Michael,
With a God, I can imagine a universe that is vastly,
vastly

different

Post by Dawn Flood
than the one that we are living in now in almost
innumerably different ways.

Immeasurably.
This universe is already dead, so obviously. It is only an

appearance

Post by Michael Christ
of "living." Death is not just in the grave; marching
towards the grave is death. Our cells tell you from the
moment we are born that the replacing cells are not quite
the same, as good, as the

original.

Post by Dawn Flood
As it is, things seem to me to be far too "natural".
Dawn

Post by Michael Christ
life than physics (science).

so are you saying personality is from some sort of God
presence

within?

Post by Maximus
if so what about animals? they have personalities too. do they too

have

Post by Maximus
some divine presence within?

Bingo. Genesis went to great length
to separate animals from people when it
comes to divinity yet when God was angry
about "corruption" he drowned the animals
along with people.

Post by Michael Christ
Once again, you have me dancing to your tune, Dawn, but I am not

going

Post by Michael Christ
to keep doing that forever.

translation: I will not engage in rational debate. i just want to

spruik

Post by Maximus
my gobbledygook

This is the equivalant of Robert's
"This conversation is over" whenever you
catch him in a contradiction or a claim
he cannot prove.

I hope that you are able to listen to that 7-hour debate between
Professor Bart Ehrman and Dr. Mike Licona, the latter who
admitted during the debate that a believer is susceptible to
losing their faith unless they are "grounded", a candid
admission that to believe is to be brainwashed.
Dawn

All arguments with all Christians
eventually boil down to "you just have
to have faith".

Matthew 17:20: "Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a
mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to
there,’ and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you.”
when has any Christian ever moved any mountain. but supposedly the
tiniest amount of faith would make it possible.

plus the unions would never stand for it. all those earth moving job
losses..
--
“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23

"Christian beliefs cannot withstand reason, fact, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"

Robert

2024-04-21 03:36:13 UTC

Post by Maximus
I'm of the opinion that the more a person knows about
the christian faith, the less likely they are to believe in it.

That's just your narcissism and megalomania speaking though.

Mego Maximus

Post by Maximus
no observed fact. easy to be christian is you believe everything
your told, and don't question anything

No, that is just your narcissism and megalomania speaking, in the
"full of yourself" superficial mindbogglingly stupid ignorance and
arrogance, Moronimus Maximus.
Other than that, it is all good.

Michael,
With a God, I can imagine a universe that is vastly, vastly

different

Post by Dawn Flood
than the one that we are living in now in almost innumerably
different ways.

Immeasurably.
This universe is already dead, so obviously. It is only an

appearance

original.

Post by Dawn Flood
As it is, things seem to me to be far too "natural".
Dawn

Post by Michael Christ
life than physics (science).

so are you saying personality is from some sort of God presence

within?

Post by Maximus
if so what about animals? they have personalities too. do they too

have

Post by Maximus
some divine presence within?

Bingo. Genesis went to great length
to separate animals from people when it
comes to divinity yet when God was angry
about "corruption" he drowned the animals
along with people.

Post by Michael Christ
Once again, you have me dancing to your tune, Dawn, but I am not

going

Post by Michael Christ
to keep doing that forever.

translation: I will not engage in rational debate. i just want to

spruik

Post by Maximus
my gobbledygook

This is the equivalant of Robert's
"This conversation is over" whenever you
catch him in a contradiction or a claim
he cannot prove.

All arguments with all Christians
eventually boil down to "you just have
to have faith".

Matthew 17:20: "Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a
mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’
and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you.”

Mark 11:22-24(KJV)

22And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God.

23For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be
thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his
heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass;
he shall have whatsoever he saith.

24Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray,
believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.

Post by Maximus
when has any Christian ever moved any mountain. but supposedly the
tiniest amount of faith would make it possible.

Most have need or reason to exercise V24, but to answer your direct question,
No one has a record stating that is has or has not happened. But there is
plenty of evidences of V 24.

Post by Dawn Flood
Maybe that is why so many have
come here and left, they cannot prove
any of their claims.

Maximus

2024-04-21 05:08:12 UTC

Post by Maximus
I'm of the opinion that the more a person knows about
the christian faith, the less likely they are to believe in it.

That's just your narcissism and megalomania speaking though.

Mego Maximus

Post by Maximus
no observed fact. easy to be christian is you believe everything
your told, and don't question anything

No, that is just your narcissism and megalomania speaking, in the
"full of yourself" superficial mindbogglingly stupid ignorance and
arrogance, Moronimus Maximus.
Other than that, it is all good.

Michael,
With a God, I can imagine a universe that is vastly, vastly

different

Post by Dawn Flood
than the one that we are living in now in almost innumerably
different ways.

Immeasurably.
This universe is already dead, so obviously. It is only an

appearance

original.

Post by Dawn Flood
As it is, things seem to me to be far too "natural".
Dawn

Post by Michael Christ
life than physics (science).

so are you saying personality is from some sort of God presence

within?

Post by Maximus
if so what about animals? they have personalities too. do they too

have

Post by Maximus
some divine presence within?

Bingo. Genesis went to great length
to separate animals from people when it
comes to divinity yet when God was angry
about "corruption" he drowned the animals
along with people.

Post by Michael Christ
Once again, you have me dancing to your tune, Dawn, but I am not

going

Post by Michael Christ
to keep doing that forever.

translation: I will not engage in rational debate. i just want to

spruik

Post by Maximus
my gobbledygook

This is the equivalant of Robert's
"This conversation is over" whenever you
catch him in a contradiction or a claim
he cannot prove.

All arguments with all Christians
eventually boil down to "you just have
to have faith".

Matthew 17:20: "Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a
mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’
and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you.”

Mark 11:22-24(KJV)
22And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God.
23For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be
thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his
heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass;
he shall have whatsoever he saith.
24Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray,
believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.

Post by Maximus
when has any Christian ever moved any mountain. but supposedly the
tiniest amount of faith would make it possible.

Most have need or reason to exercise V24, but to answer your direct question,
No one has a record stating that is has or has not happened. But there is
plenty of evidences of V 24.

I know of xtians who have prayed for their cancer to be cured, but they
still died. the whole Church was praying too. lots of prayers go
unanswered. one might even suggest the correlation between answered and
unanswered prayer is commensurate with the law of averages. iow there's
no diety listening.

Post by Dawn Flood
Maybe that is why so many have
come here and left, they cannot prove
any of their claims.

Robert

2024-04-21 06:36:53 UTC

Post by Maximus
I'm of the opinion that the more a person knows about
the christian faith, the less likely they are to believe in it.

That's just your narcissism and megalomania speaking though.

Mego Maximus

Post by Maximus
no observed fact. easy to be christian is you believe everything
your told, and don't question anything

No, that is just your narcissism and megalomania speaking, in the
"full of yourself" superficial mindbogglingly stupid ignorance and
arrogance, Moronimus Maximus.
Other than that, it is all good.

Michael,
With a God, I can imagine a universe that is vastly, vastly

different

Post by Dawn Flood
than the one that we are living in now in almost innumerably
different ways.

Immeasurably.
This universe is already dead, so obviously. It is only an

appearance

original.

Post by Dawn Flood
As it is, things seem to me to be far too "natural".
Dawn

Post by Michael Christ
life than physics (science).

so are you saying personality is from some sort of God presence

within?

Post by Maximus
if so what about animals? they have personalities too. do they too

have

Post by Maximus
some divine presence within?

Bingo. Genesis went to great length
to separate animals from people when it
comes to divinity yet when God was angry
about "corruption" he drowned the animals
along with people.

Post by Michael Christ
Once again, you have me dancing to your tune, Dawn, but I am not

going

Post by Michael Christ
to keep doing that forever.

translation: I will not engage in rational debate. i just want to

spruik

Post by Maximus
my gobbledygook

This is the equivalant of Robert's
"This conversation is over" whenever you
catch him in a contradiction or a claim
he cannot prove.

All arguments with all Christians
eventually boil down to "you just have
to have faith".

Matthew 17:20: "Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a
mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’
and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you.”

Mark 11:22-24(KJV)
22And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God.
23For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be
thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his
heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass;
he shall have whatsoever he saith.
24Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray,
believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.

Post by Maximus
when has any Christian ever moved any mountain. but supposedly the
tiniest amount of faith would make it possible.

Most have need or reason to exercise V24, but to answer your direct question,
No one has a record stating that is has or has not happened. But there is
plenty of evidences of V 24.

I know of many that have had the same results. The problem is that they do
not believe. And in fact there are several people currently posting in these
NG’s that tell others that God no longer is in the business of fulfilling
his words. Yet they will pray for healings, and ask others to do likewise.
Problem is that they are all in the same mindset of disbelief. A believer is
supposed to walk by faith, exercise their faith, and grow from faith works
experience to “Faith to faith” and this all sums up to being strong in
faith and not a bunch of weaklings. There are many promises for healings in
both the old as well as the new testaments.

Like you they read the verses above with disbelief, or the just pay not
attention to them. So then, they all do receive according to their faith. An
that faith does not mean the faith of a religion whether it be Baptist, RCC,
GO, Presbyterian’s, etc.

I too had to learn that. I grew up hearing the same lifeless teachings from
many, but then I hit a major bump in the road, Where I needed what only a God
could provide. In studying the Bible, I kept seeing all these scriptures on
Faith, by faith, etc. So I had to ask God flat out what the real truth was,
were they meaningless verbiage, which sounds all "lovey dovey” but had no
substance or was their substance to the word of God, I learned there is an
always was substance to it, rock solid substance. And so I started walking by
faith. Little by little, and kept growing, becoming stronger in Faith. Yes, I
even began to see that faith is the substance....etc.

It isn’t that God favors one over the other, for he truly is no respecter
of persons. He is just well pleased in those that actually are sincere, and
do not play religion.

Didn’t mean to sound all preachy, but it truly is a reality, and for those
that are real believers we walk in two worlds. Which the Bible also teaches.
Off thing is that many heathen pagans already are aware of this reality but
they participate with the evil not the Godly side of it.

Post by Robert
The law of faith (note, Mat 8:13).
“But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is
like
a
wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed. For let not that man think
that he shall receive any thing of the Lord. A double minded man is unstable
in all his ways.” (Jas 1:6-8, KJV)

Post by Dawn Flood
Maybe that is why so many have
come here and left, they cannot prove
any of their claims.

Mitchell Holman

2024-04-21 13:27:32 UTC

Maximus in his grandeur with incredible ignorance

Post by Maximus
I'm of the opinion that the more a person
knows about the christian faith, the less
likely they are to believe in it.

That's just your narcissism and megalomania
speaking though.

Mego Maximus

Post by Maximus
no observed fact. easy to be christian is you
believe everything your told, and don't
question anything

No, that is just your narcissism and megalomania
speaking, in the "full of yourself" superficial
mindbogglingly stupid ignorance and
arrogance, Moronimus Maximus.
Other than that, it is all good.

Michael,
With a God, I can imagine a universe that is
vastly, vastly

different

Post by Dawn Flood
than the one that we are living in now in almost
innumerably different ways.

Immeasurably.
This universe is already dead, so obviously. It is
only an

appearance

Post by Michael Christ
of "living." Death is not just in the grave; marching
towards the grave is death. Our cells tell you from
the moment we are born that the replacing cells are
not quite the same, as good, as the

original.

Post by Dawn Flood
As it is, things seem to me to be far too
"natural".
Dawn

Post by Michael Christ
life than physics (science).

so are you saying personality is from some sort of God
presence

within?

Post by Maximus
if so what about animals? they have personalities too.
do they too

have

Post by Maximus
some divine presence within?

Bingo. Genesis went to great length
to separate animals from people when it
comes to divinity yet when God was angry
about "corruption" he drowned the animals
along with people.

Post by Michael Christ
Once again, you have me dancing to your tune, Dawn,
but I am not

going

Post by Michael Christ
to keep doing that forever.

translation: I will not engage in rational debate. i
just want to

spruik

Post by Maximus
my gobbledygook

This is the equivalant of Robert's
"This conversation is over" whenever you
catch him in a contradiction or a claim
he cannot prove.

I hope that you are able to listen to that 7-hour debate
between Professor Bart Ehrman and Dr. Mike Licona, the
latter who admitted during the debate that a believer is
susceptible to losing their faith unless they are
"grounded", a candid admission that to believe is to be
brainwashed.
Dawn

All arguments with all Christians
eventually boil down to "you just have
to have faith".

âAnd when Jesus departed thence, two blind men followed him,
crying, and saying, Thou Son of David, have mercy on us. And
when he was come into the house, the blind men came to him: and
Jesus saith unto them, Believe ye that
I am able to do this? They said unto him, Yea, Lord. Then
touched he their eyes, saying, According to your faith be it
unto you.â (Mat 9:27-29, KJV)

Matthew 17:20: "Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a
mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, âMove from here to
there,â and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for
you.â

Mark 11:22-24(KJV)
22And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God.
23For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this
mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall
not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which
he saith shall come to pass;
he shall have whatsoever he saith.
24Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye
pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.

Post by Maximus
when has any Christian ever moved any mountain. but supposedly
the tiniest amount of faith would make it possible.

Most have need or reason to exercise V24, but to answer your direct question,
No one has a record stating that is has or has not happened. But
there is plenty of evidences of V 24.

I know of xtians who have prayed for their cancer to be cured, but
they still died. the whole Church was praying too. lots of prayers go
unanswered. one might even suggest the correlation between answered
and unanswered prayer is commensurate with the law of averages. iow
there's no diety listening.

I know of many that have had the same results. The problem is that
they do not believe. And in fact there are several people currently
posting in these NGâs that tell others that God no longer is in the
business of fulfilling his words. Yet they will pray for healings, and
ask others to do likewise. Problem is that they are all in the same
mindset of disbelief. A believer is supposed to walk by faith,
exercise their faith, and grow from faith works experience to âFaith
to faithâ and this all sums up to being strong in faith and not a
bunch of weaklings. There are many promises for healings in both the
old as well as the new testaments.
Like you they read the verses above with disbelief, or the just pay
not attention to them. So then, they all do receive according to their
faith. An that faith does not mean the faith of a religion whether it
be Baptist, RCC, GO, Presbyterianâs, etc.

April 2005: Pope John Paul II falls ill
with a kidney infection. BILLIONS of people
all over the world pray for his recovery.
He dies anyway.

Are you saying NONE of those people
were "believers"?

Little@man.Ball

2024-04-21 16:11:10 UTC

On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 13:27:32 +0000

Post by Mitchell Holman
April 2005: Pope John Paul II falls ill
with a kidney infection. BILLIONS of people
all over the world pray for his recovery.
He dies anyway.
Are you saying NONE of those people
were "believers"?

Are you saying their beliefs eclipse God's will?

Dawn Flood

2024-04-21 16:15:58 UTC

Post by ***@man.Ball
On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 13:27:32 +0000

Are you saying their beliefs eclipse God's will?

No one can agree upon "God's will"; if you disagree, name an example of
what God wills.

Dawn

Little@man.Ball

2024-04-21 16:47:56 UTC

On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 11:15:58 -0500

Post by ***@man.Ball
On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 13:27:32 +0000

Are you saying their beliefs eclipse God's will?

No one can agree upon "God's will"; if you disagree, name an example
of what God wills.
Dawn

Gladly:

Sodom & Gomorrah.

Out.

Robert

2024-04-21 18:55:00 UTC

Post by ***@man.Ball
On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 11:15:58 -0500

Post by ***@man.Ball
On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 13:27:32 +0000

Are you saying their beliefs eclipse God's will?

No one can agree upon "God's will"; if you disagree, name an example
of what God wills.
Dawn

Sodom & Gomorrah.
Out.

“And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own
habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the
judgment of the great day. Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about
them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after
strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of
eternal fire. Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise
dominion, and speak evil of dignities.” (Jud 1:6-8, KJV)

As one can see here, they were an example for all of humanity as to do what
they did, the same thing will happen to those from any age, in regards to
their eternal death and torment, unless they receive forgiveness before they
die. And this is in addition to the price they pay in this life for their
actions, as a warning to them ahead of death.

Andrew

2024-04-21 18:04:18 UTC

Post by Dawn Flood
No one can agree upon "God's will"; if you disagree,
name an example of what God wills.
Dawn

It is God's desire and His will for you to
be saved.

"For God sent not his Son into the world
to condemn the world; but that the world
through Him might be saved."

~ Jn 3:17

Robert

2024-04-21 18:32:41 UTC

Post by ***@man.Ball
On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 13:27:32 +0000

Are you saying their beliefs eclipse God's will?

No one can agree upon "God's will"; if you disagree, name an example of
what God wills.
Dawn

Mat 6:14For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will
also forgive you:

Mat 6:15But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father
forgive your trespasses.
***********
Mat 8:2And, behold, there came a leper and worshipped him, saying, Lord, if
thou wilt, thou canst make me clean.

Mat 8:3And Jesus put forth his hand, and touched him, saying, I will; be thou
clean. And immediately his leprosy was cleansed.
********
Mat 8:5And when Jesus was entered into Capernaum, there came unto him a
centurion, beseeching him,

Mat 8:6And saying, Lord, my servant lieth at home sick of the palsy,
grievously tormented.

Mat 8:7And Jesus saith unto him, I will come and heal him.
**********
Luk 12:28If then God so clothe the grass, which is to day in the field, and
to morrow is cast into the oven; how much more will he clothe you, O ye of
little faith?
********* Jhn 6:51I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any
man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give
is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

There is lots more where that came from. :)

Robert

2024-04-21 17:49:25 UTC

Maximus in his grandeur with incredible ignorance

Post by Maximus
I'm of the opinion that the more a person
knows about the christian faith, the less
likely they are to believe in it.

That's just your narcissism and megalomania
speaking though.

Mego Maximus

Post by Maximus
no observed fact. easy to be christian is you
believe everything your told, and don't
question anything

No, that is just your narcissism and megalomania
speaking, in the "full of yourself" superficial
mindbogglingly stupid ignorance and
arrogance, Moronimus Maximus.
Other than that, it is all good.

Michael,
With a God, I can imagine a universe that is
vastly, vastly

different

Post by Dawn Flood
than the one that we are living in now in almost
innumerably different ways.

Immeasurably.
This universe is already dead, so obviously. It is
only an

appearance

Post by Michael Christ
of "living." Death is not just in the grave; marching
towards the grave is death. Our cells tell you from
the moment we are born that the replacing cells are
not quite the same, as good, as the

original.

Post by Dawn Flood
As it is, things seem to me to be far too
"natural".
Dawn

Post by Michael Christ
life than physics (science).

so are you saying personality is from some sort of God
presence

within?

Post by Maximus
if so what about animals? they have personalities too.
do they too

have

Post by Maximus
some divine presence within?

Bingo. Genesis went to great length
to separate animals from people when it
comes to divinity yet when God was angry
about "corruption" he drowned the animals
along with people.

Post by Michael Christ
Once again, you have me dancing to your tune, Dawn,
but I am not

going

Post by Michael Christ
to keep doing that forever.

translation: I will not engage in rational debate. i
just want to

spruik

Post by Maximus
my gobbledygook

This is the equivalant of Robert's
"This conversation is over" whenever you
catch him in a contradiction or a claim
he cannot prove.

I hope that you are able to listen to that 7-hour debate
between Professor Bart Ehrman and Dr. Mike Licona, the
latter who admitted during the debate that a believer is
susceptible to losing their faith unless they are
"grounded", a candid admission that to believe is to be
brainwashed.
Dawn

All arguments with all Christians
eventually boil down to "you just have
to have faith".

Matthew 17:20: "Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a
mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to
there,’ and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for
you.”

Mark 11:22-24(KJV)
22And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God.
23For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this
mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall
not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which
he saith shall come to pass;
he shall have whatsoever he saith.
24Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye
pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.

Post by Maximus
when has any Christian ever moved any mountain. but supposedly
the tiniest amount of faith would make it possible.

Most have need or reason to exercise V24, but to answer your direct question,
No one has a record stating that is has or has not happened. But
there is plenty of evidences of V 24.

I know of xtians who have prayed for their cancer to be cured, but
they still died. the whole Church was praying too. lots of prayers go
unanswered. one might even suggest the correlation between answered
and unanswered prayer is commensurate with the law of averages. iow
there's no diety listening.

April 2005: Pope John Paul II falls ill
with a kidney infection. BILLIONS of people
all over the world pray for his recovery.
He dies anyway.
Are you saying NONE of those people
were "believers”?

Read what I wrote, it contains the answer to your question.

Mitchell Holman

2024-04-21 18:14:12 UTC

(in

Maximus in his grandeur with incredible

Post by Maximus
I'm of the opinion that the more a
person knows about the christian faith,
the less
likely they are to believe in it.

That's just your narcissism and
megalomania
speaking though.

Mego Maximus

Post by Maximus
no observed fact. easy to be christian is
you believe everything your told, and don't
question anything

No, that is just your narcissism and
megalomania speaking, in the "full of
yourself" superficial
mindbogglingly stupid ignorance and
arrogance, Moronimus Maximus.
Other than that, it is all good.

Michael,
With a God, I can imagine a universe that is
vastly, vastly

different

Post by Dawn Flood
than the one that we are living in now in
almost innumerably different ways.

Immeasurably.
This universe is already dead, so obviously. It
is only an

appearance

Post by Michael Christ
of "living." Death is not just in the grave;
marching towards the grave is death. Our cells
tell you from the moment we are born that the
replacing cells are not quite the same, as good,
as the

original.

Post by Dawn Flood
As it is, things seem to me to be far too
"natural".
Dawn

Post by Michael Christ
life than physics (science).

so are you saying personality is from some sort of
God presence

within?

Post by Maximus
if so what about animals? they have personalities
too. do they too

have

Post by Maximus
some divine presence within?

Bingo. Genesis went to great length
to separate animals from people when it
comes to divinity yet when God was angry
about "corruption" he drowned the animals
along with people.

Post by Michael Christ
Once again, you have me dancing to your tune,
Dawn, but I am not

going

Post by Michael Christ
to keep doing that forever.

translation: I will not engage in rational debate.
i just want to

spruik

Post by Maximus
my gobbledygook

This is the equivalant of Robert's
"This conversation is over" whenever you
catch him in a contradiction or a claim
he cannot prove.

I hope that you are able to listen to that 7-hour
debate between Professor Bart Ehrman and Dr. Mike
Licona, the latter who admitted during the debate that
a believer is susceptible to losing their faith unless
they are "grounded", a candid admission that to believe
is to be brainwashed.
Dawn

All arguments with all Christians
eventually boil down to "you just have
to have faith".

âAnd when Jesus departed thence, two blind men followed
him, crying, and saying, Thou Son of David, have mercy on
us. And when he was come into the house, the blind men came
to him: and Jesus saith unto them, Believe ye that
I am able to do this? They said unto him, Yea, Lord. Then
touched he their eyes, saying, According to your faith be
it unto you.â (Mat 9:27-29, KJV)

Matthew 17:20: "Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small
as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, âMove from
here to there,â and it will move. Nothing will be
impossible for you.â

Mark 11:22-24(KJV)
22And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God.
23For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this
mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and
shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those
things which he saith shall come to pass;
he shall have whatsoever he saith.
24Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when
ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.

Post by Maximus
when has any Christian ever moved any mountain. but
supposedly the tiniest amount of faith would make it
possible.

Most have need or reason to exercise V24, but to answer your direct question,
No one has a record stating that is has or has not happened.
But there is plenty of evidences of V 24.

I know of xtians who have prayed for their cancer to be cured,
but they still died. the whole Church was praying too. lots of
prayers go unanswered. one might even suggest the correlation
between answered and unanswered prayer is commensurate with the
law of averages. iow there's no diety listening.

I know of many that have had the same results. The problem is that
they do not believe. And in fact there are several people currently
posting in these NGâs that tell others that God no longer is in
the business of fulfilling his words. Yet they will pray for
healings, and ask others to do likewise. Problem is that they are
all in the same mindset of disbelief. A believer is supposed to
walk by faith, exercise their faith, and grow from faith works
experience to âFaith to faithâ and this all sums up to being
strong in faith and not a bunch of weaklings. There are many
promises for healings in both the old as well as the new
testaments.
Like you they read the verses above with disbelief, or the just pay
not attention to them. So then, they all do receive according to
their faith. An that faith does not mean the faith of a religion
whether it be Baptist, RCC, GO, Presbyterianâs, etc.

April 2005: Pope John Paul II falls ill
with a kidney infection. BILLIONS of people
all over the world pray for his recovery.
He dies anyway.
Are you saying NONE of those people
were "believersâ?

Read what I wrote, it contains the answer to your question.

"A believer is supposed to walk by faith,
exercise their faith, and grow from faith
works experience to âFaith to faithâ
and this all sums up to being strong in
faith and not a bunch of weaklings."

Are you saying NONE of the people praying
for his recovery was a "believer"?

Little@man.Ball

2024-04-21 18:48:07 UTC

On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 18:14:12 +0000

Post by Mitchell Holman
Are you saying NONE of the people praying
for his recovery was a "believer"?

Are you so moronic to think prayer alone changes God's plans?

Mitchell Holman

2024-04-21 19:11:41 UTC

Post by ***@man.Ball
On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 18:14:12 +0000

Post by Mitchell Holman
Are you saying NONE of the people praying
for his recovery was a "believer"?

Are you so moronic to think prayer alone changes God's plans?

If prayer doesn't change anything why do it?

Skeeter

2024-04-21 20:10:39 UTC

Post by ***@man.Ball
On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 18:14:12 +0000

Post by Mitchell Holman
Are you saying NONE of the people praying
for his recovery was a "believer"?

Are you so moronic to think prayer alone changes God's plans?

If prayer doesn't change anything why do it?

He didn't say "anything". More word play.

Dawn Flood

2024-04-21 16:05:20 UTC

Post by Maximus
I'm of the opinion that the more a person knows about
the christian faith, the less likely they are to believe in it.

That's just your narcissism and megalomania speaking though.

Mego Maximus

Post by Maximus
no observed fact. easy to be christian is you believe everything
your told, and don't question anything

No, that is just your narcissism and megalomania speaking, in the
"full of yourself" superficial mindbogglingly stupid ignorance and
arrogance, Moronimus Maximus.
Other than that, it is all good.

Michael,
With a God, I can imagine a universe that is vastly, vastly

different

Post by Dawn Flood
than the one that we are living in now in almost innumerably
different ways.

Immeasurably.
This universe is already dead, so obviously. It is only an

appearance

original.

Post by Dawn Flood
As it is, things seem to me to be far too "natural".
Dawn

Post by Michael Christ
life than physics (science).

so are you saying personality is from some sort of God presence

within?

Post by Maximus
if so what about animals? they have personalities too. do they too

have

Post by Maximus
some divine presence within?

Bingo. Genesis went to great length
to separate animals from people when it
comes to divinity yet when God was angry
about "corruption" he drowned the animals
along with people.

Post by Michael Christ
Once again, you have me dancing to your tune, Dawn, but I am not

going

Post by Michael Christ
to keep doing that forever.

translation: I will not engage in rational debate. i just want to

spruik

Post by Maximus
my gobbledygook

This is the equivalant of Robert's
"This conversation is over" whenever you
catch him in a contradiction or a claim
he cannot prove.

All arguments with all Christians
eventually boil down to "you just have
to have faith".

Matthew 17:20: "Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a
mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’
and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you.”

Mark 11:22-24(KJV)
22And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God.
23For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be
thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his
heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass;
he shall have whatsoever he saith.
24Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray,
believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.

Robert,

Faith does not move mountains. Dynamite & bulldozers move mountains.

Dawn

Little@man.Ball

2024-04-21 16:49:24 UTC

On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 11:05:20 -0500

Post by Dawn Flood
Faith does not move mountains.

Bullshite!

Matthew 17:20

And He *said to them, “Because of the littleness of your faith; for truly I say to you, if you have faith the size of a mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move; and nothing will be impossible to you.

Mark 11:23

Truly I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, ‘Be taken up and cast into the sea,’ and does not doubt in his heart, but believes that what he says is going to happen, it will be granted him.

Matthew 21:21

And Jesus answered and said to them, “Truly I say to you, if you have faith and do not doubt, you will not only do what was done to the fig tree, but even if you say to this mountain, ‘Be taken up and cast into the sea,’ it will happen.

Luke 17:6

And the Lord said, “If you had faith like a mustard seed, you would say to this mulberry tree, ‘Be uprooted and be planted in the sea’; and it would obey you.

Mark 11:22

And Jesus *answered saying to them, “Have faith in God.

1 Corinthians 13:2

If I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing.

Matthew 8:26

He *said to them, “Why are you afraid, you men of little faith?” Then He got up and rebuked the winds and the sea, and it became perfectly calm.

Source: https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Faith-Moving-Mountains

Mitchell Holman

2024-04-21 18:19:28 UTC

Post by Maximus
I'm of the opinion that the more a person knows about
the christian faith, the less likely they are to believe in it.

That's just your narcissism and megalomania speaking though.

Mego Maximus

Post by Maximus
no observed fact. easy to be christian is you believe
everything your told, and don't question anything

No, that is just your narcissism and megalomania speaking,
in the "full of yourself" superficial mindbogglingly stupid
ignorance and arrogance, Moronimus Maximus.
Other than that, it is all good.

Michael,
With a God, I can imagine a universe that is vastly, vastly

different

Post by Dawn Flood
than the one that we are living in now in almost innumerably
different ways.

Immeasurably.
This universe is already dead, so obviously. It is only an

appearance

Post by Michael Christ
of "living." Death is not just in the grave; marching towards
the grave is death. Our cells tell you from the moment we are
born that the replacing cells are not quite the same, as good,
as the

original.

Post by Dawn Flood
As it is, things seem to me to be far too "natural".
Dawn

Post by Michael Christ
life than physics (science).

so are you saying personality is from some sort of God presence

within?

Post by Maximus
if so what about animals? they have personalities too. do they too

have

Post by Maximus
some divine presence within?

Bingo. Genesis went to great length
to separate animals from people when it
comes to divinity yet when God was angry
about "corruption" he drowned the animals
along with people.

Post by Michael Christ
Once again, you have me dancing to your tune, Dawn, but I am not

going

Post by Michael Christ
to keep doing that forever.

translation: I will not engage in rational debate. i just want to

spruik

Post by Maximus
my gobbledygook

This is the equivalant of Robert's
"This conversation is over" whenever you
catch him in a contradiction or a claim
he cannot prove.

I hope that you are able to listen to that 7-hour debate between
Professor Bart Ehrman and Dr. Mike Licona, the latter who
admitted during the debate that a believer is susceptible to
losing their faith unless they are "grounded", a candid admission
that to believe is to be brainwashed.
Dawn

All arguments with all Christians
eventually boil down to "you just have
to have faith".

âAnd when Jesus departed thence, two blind men followed him,
crying, and saying, Thou Son of David, have mercy on us. And when
he was come into the house, the blind men came to him: and Jesus
saith unto them, Believe ye that I am able to do this? They said
unto him, Yea, Lord. Then touched he their eyes, saying, According
to your faith be it unto you.â (Mat 9:27-29, KJV)

Matthew 17:20: "Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a
mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, âMove from here to
there,â and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you.â

Mark 11:22-24(KJV)
22And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God.
23For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this
mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall
not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he
saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.
24Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye
pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.

Robert,
Faith does not move mountains. Dynamite & bulldozers move mountains.
Dawn

"Science flies you to the moon.
Faith flies you into buildings"

- recently spotted bumper sticker -

Little@man.Ball

2024-04-21 18:48:36 UTC

On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 18:19:28 +0000

Post by Mitchell Holman
"Science flies you to the moon.
Faith flies you into buildings"

The moon landing was hoaxed, so there's that...

Robert

2024-04-21 19:04:41 UTC

Post by Maximus
I'm of the opinion that the more a person knows about
the christian faith, the less likely they are to believe in it.

That's just your narcissism and megalomania speaking though.

Mego Maximus

Post by Maximus
no observed fact. easy to be christian is you believe everything
your told, and don't question anything

No, that is just your narcissism and megalomania speaking, in the
"full of yourself" superficial mindbogglingly stupid ignorance and
arrogance, Moronimus Maximus.
Other than that, it is all good.

Michael,
With a God, I can imagine a universe that is vastly, vastly

different

Post by Dawn Flood
than the one that we are living in now in almost innumerably
different ways.

Immeasurably.
This universe is already dead, so obviously. It is only an

appearance

original.

Post by Dawn Flood
As it is, things seem to me to be far too "natural".
Dawn

Post by Michael Christ
life than physics (science).

so are you saying personality is from some sort of God presence

within?

Post by Maximus
if so what about animals? they have personalities too. do they too

have

Post by Maximus
some divine presence within?

Bingo. Genesis went to great length
to separate animals from people when it
comes to divinity yet when God was angry
about "corruption" he drowned the animals
along with people.

Post by Michael Christ
Once again, you have me dancing to your tune, Dawn, but I am not

going

Post by Michael Christ
to keep doing that forever.

translation: I will not engage in rational debate. i just want to

spruik

Post by Maximus
my gobbledygook

This is the equivalant of Robert's
"This conversation is over" whenever you
catch him in a contradiction or a claim
he cannot prove.

All arguments with all Christians
eventually boil down to "you just have
to have faith".

Matthew 17:20: "Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a
mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’
and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you.”

Mark 11:22-24(KJV)
22And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God.
23For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be
thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his
heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass;
he shall have whatsoever he saith.
24Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray,
believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.

Robert,
Faith does not move mountains. Dynamite & bulldozers move mountains.
Dawn

How would you know?
Do you know the meaning of the original word used in that verse? How they
arrived at the word “mountain” in English? That the word Mountain could
be applied to evidence, events, circumstances, and a host of other things,
including but not limited to a hill or mountain of dirt, rock, of combination
thereof?

Skeeter

2024-04-20 19:30:44 UTC

Post by Maximus
I'm of the opinion that the more a person knows about
the christian faith, the less likely they are to believe in it.

That's just your narcissism and megalomania speaking though.

Mego Maximus

Post by Maximus
no observed fact. easy to be christian is you believe everything
your told, and don't question anything

No, that is just your narcissism and megalomania speaking, in the
"full of yourself" superficial mindbogglingly stupid ignorance and
arrogance, Moronimus Maximus.
Other than that, it is all good.

Michael,
With a God, I can imagine a universe that is vastly, vastly

different

Post by Dawn Flood
than the one that we are living in now in almost innumerably
different ways.

Immeasurably.
This universe is already dead, so obviously. It is only an

appearance

original.

Post by Dawn Flood
As it is, things seem to me to be far too "natural".
Dawn

Post by Michael Christ
life than physics (science).

so are you saying personality is from some sort of God presence

within?

Post by Maximus
if so what about animals? they have personalities too. do they too

have

Post by Maximus
some divine presence within?

Bingo. Genesis went to great length
to separate animals from people when it
comes to divinity yet when God was angry
about "corruption" he drowned the animals
along with people.

Post by Michael Christ
Once again, you have me dancing to your tune, Dawn, but I am not

going

Post by Michael Christ
to keep doing that forever.

translation: I will not engage in rational debate. i just want to

spruik

Post by Maximus
my gobbledygook

This is the equivalant of Robert's
"This conversation is over" whenever you
catch him in a contradiction or a claim
he cannot prove.

All arguments with all Christians
eventually boil down to "you just have
to have faith".
Maybe that is why so many have
come here and left, they cannot prove
any of their claims.

Or maybe they got tired of all the redundant questions you use for
answers.

Mitchell Holman

2024-04-21 01:45:17 UTC

Post by Skeeter

Post by Maximus
I'm of the opinion that the more a person knows about
the christian faith, the less likely they are to believe in it.

That's just your narcissism and megalomania speaking though.

Mego Maximus

Post by Maximus
no observed fact. easy to be christian is you believe
everything your told, and don't question anything

No, that is just your narcissism and megalomania speaking, in
the "full of yourself" superficial mindbogglingly stupid
ignorance and arrogance, Moronimus Maximus.
Other than that, it is all good.

Michael,
With a God, I can imagine a universe that is vastly, vastly

different

Post by Dawn Flood
than the one that we are living in now in almost innumerably
different ways.

Immeasurably.
This universe is already dead, so obviously. It is only an

appearance

Post by Michael Christ
of "living." Death is not just in the grave; marching towards
the grave is death. Our cells tell you from the moment we are
born that the replacing cells are not quite the same, as good,
as the

original.

Post by Dawn Flood
As it is, things seem to me to be far too "natural".
Dawn

Post by Michael Christ
life than physics (science).

so are you saying personality is from some sort of God presence

within?

Post by Maximus
if so what about animals? they have personalities too. do they too

have

Post by Maximus
some divine presence within?

Bingo. Genesis went to great length
to separate animals from people when it
comes to divinity yet when God was angry
about "corruption" he drowned the animals
along with people.

Post by Michael Christ
Once again, you have me dancing to your tune, Dawn, but I am not

going

Post by Michael Christ
to keep doing that forever.

translation: I will not engage in rational debate. i just want to

spruik

Post by Maximus
my gobbledygook

This is the equivalant of Robert's
"This conversation is over" whenever you
catch him in a contradiction or a claim
he cannot prove.

I hope that you are able to listen to that 7-hour debate between
Professor Bart Ehrman and Dr. Mike Licona, the latter who admitted
during the debate that a believer is susceptible to losing their
faith unless they are "grounded", a candid admission that to
believe is to be brainwashed.
Dawn

All arguments with all Christians
eventually boil down to "you just have
to have faith".
Maybe that is why so many have
come here and left, they cannot prove
any of their claims.

Or maybe they got tired of all the redundant questions you use for
answers.

If Christians had facts they wouldn't need faith.

Maximus

2024-04-21 02:14:09 UTC

Post by Skeeter

Post by Maximus
I'm of the opinion that the more a person knows about
the christian faith, the less likely they are to believe in it.

That's just your narcissism and megalomania speaking though.

Mego Maximus

Post by Maximus
no observed fact. easy to be christian is you believe
everything your told, and don't question anything

No, that is just your narcissism and megalomania speaking, in
the "full of yourself" superficial mindbogglingly stupid
ignorance and arrogance, Moronimus Maximus.
Other than that, it is all good.

Michael,
With a God, I can imagine a universe that is vastly, vastly

different

Post by Dawn Flood
than the one that we are living in now in almost innumerably
different ways.

Immeasurably.
This universe is already dead, so obviously. It is only an

appearance

Post by Michael Christ
of "living." Death is not just in the grave; marching towards
the grave is death. Our cells tell you from the moment we are
born that the replacing cells are not quite the same, as good,
as the

original.

Post by Dawn Flood
As it is, things seem to me to be far too "natural".
Dawn

Post by Michael Christ
life than physics (science).

so are you saying personality is from some sort of God presence

within?

Post by Maximus
if so what about animals? they have personalities too. do they too

have

Post by Maximus
some divine presence within?

Bingo. Genesis went to great length
to separate animals from people when it
comes to divinity yet when God was angry
about "corruption" he drowned the animals
along with people.

Post by Michael Christ
Once again, you have me dancing to your tune, Dawn, but I am not

going

Post by Michael Christ
to keep doing that forever.

translation: I will not engage in rational debate. i just want to

spruik

Post by Maximus
my gobbledygook

This is the equivalant of Robert's
"This conversation is over" whenever you
catch him in a contradiction or a claim
he cannot prove.

I hope that you are able to listen to that 7-hour debate between
Professor Bart Ehrman and Dr. Mike Licona, the latter who admitted
during the debate that a believer is susceptible to losing their
faith unless they are "grounded", a candid admission that to
believe is to be brainwashed.
Dawn

All arguments with all Christians
eventually boil down to "you just have
to have faith".
Maybe that is why so many have
come here and left, they cannot prove
any of their claims.

Or maybe they got tired of all the redundant questions you use for
answers.

If Christians had facts they wouldn't need faith.

exactly
--
“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23

"Christian beliefs cannot withstand reason, fact, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"

Michael Christ

2024-04-21 04:18:20 UTC

Post by Maximus
I'm of the opinion that the more a person knows about
the christian faith, the less likely they are to believe in it.

That's just your narcissism and megalomania speaking though.

Mego Maximus

Post by Maximus
no observed fact. easy to be christian is you believe
everything your told, and don't question anything

No, that is just your narcissism and megalomania speaking, in
the "full of yourself" superficial mindbogglingly stupid
ignorance and arrogance, Moronimus Maximus.
Other than that, it is all good.

Michael,
With a God, I can imagine a universe that is vastly, vastly

different

Post by Dawn Flood
than the one that we are living in now in almost innumerably
different ways.

Immeasurably.
This universe is already dead, so obviously. It is only an

appearance

Post by Michael Christ
of "living." Death is not just in the grave; marching towards
the grave is death. Our cells tell you from the moment we are
born that the replacing cells are not quite the same, as good,
as the

original.

Post by Dawn Flood
As it is, things seem to me to be far too "natural".
Dawn

Post by Michael Christ
life than physics (science).

so are you saying personality is from some sort of God presence

within?

Post by Maximus
if so what about animals? they have personalities too. do they too

have

Post by Maximus
some divine presence within?

Bingo. Genesis went to great length
to separate animals from people when it
comes to divinity yet when God was angry
about "corruption" he drowned the animals
along with people.

Post by Michael Christ
Once again, you have me dancing to your tune, Dawn, but I am not

going

Post by Michael Christ
to keep doing that forever.

translation: I will not engage in rational debate. i just want to

spruik

Post by Maximus
my gobbledygook

This is the equivalant of Robert's
"This conversation is over" whenever you
catch him in a contradiction or a claim
he cannot prove.

I hope that you are able to listen to that 7-hour debate between
Professor Bart Ehrman and Dr. Mike Licona, the latter who admitted
during the debate that a believer is susceptible to losing their
faith unless they are "grounded", a candid admission that to
believe is to be brainwashed.
Dawn

All arguments with all Christians
eventually boil down to "you just have
to have faith".
Maybe that is why so many have
come here and left, they cannot prove
any of their claims.

Or maybe they got tired of all the redundant questions you use for
answers.

If Christians had facts they wouldn't need faith.

exactly

Unless you know everything, it took faith to believe that shit!

Sheesh!

Michael Christ
--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30 I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God, God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

"Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners."

"Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any
exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."

Maximus

2024-04-21 05:15:56 UTC

Post by Maximus
I'm of the opinion that the more a person knows about
the christian faith, the less likely they are to believe in it.

That's just your narcissism and megalomania speaking though.

Mego Maximus

Post by Maximus
no observed fact. easy to be christian is you believe
everything your told, and don't question anything

No, that is just your narcissism and megalomania speaking, in
the "full of yourself" superficial mindbogglingly stupid
ignorance and arrogance, Moronimus Maximus.
Other than that, it is all good.

Michael,
With a God, I can imagine a universe that is vastly, vastly

different

Post by Dawn Flood
than the one that we are living in now in almost innumerably
different ways.

Immeasurably.
This universe is already dead, so obviously. It is only an

appearance

Post by Michael Christ
of "living." Death is not just in the grave; marching towards
the grave is death. Our cells tell you from the moment we are
born that the replacing cells are not quite the same, as good,
as the

original.

Post by Dawn Flood
As it is, things seem to me to be far too "natural".
Dawn

Post by Michael Christ
life than physics (science).

so are you saying personality is from some sort of God presence

within?

Post by Maximus
if so what about animals? they have personalities too. do they too

have

Post by Maximus
some divine presence within?

Bingo. Genesis went to great length
to separate animals from people when it
comes to divinity yet when God was angry
about "corruption" he drowned the animals
along with people.

Post by Michael Christ
Once again, you have me dancing to your tune, Dawn, but I am not

going

Post by Michael Christ
to keep doing that forever.

translation: I will not engage in rational debate. i just want to

spruik

Post by Maximus
my gobbledygook

This is the equivalant of Robert's
"This conversation is over" whenever you
catch him in a contradiction or a claim
he cannot prove.

I hope that you are able to listen to that 7-hour debate between
Professor Bart Ehrman and Dr. Mike Licona, the latter who admitted
during the debate that a believer is susceptible to losing their
faith unless they are "grounded", a candid admission that to
believe is to be brainwashed.
Dawn

All arguments with all Christians
eventually boil down to "you just have
to have faith".
Maybe that is why so many have
come here and left, they cannot prove
any of their claims.

Or maybe they got tired of all the redundant questions you use for
answers.

If Christians had facts they wouldn't need faith.

exactly

Unless you know everything, it took faith to believe that shit!

it's true. if it could be proved that Jesus rose from the dead, or
angels exist, or all the other stuff, faith is not necessary

Post by Michael Christ
Sheesh!
Michael Christ

Michael Christ

2024-04-21 09:16:35 UTC

Post by Maximus
I'm of the opinion that the more a person knows about
the christian faith, the less likely they are to believe in it.

That's just your narcissism and megalomania speaking though.

Mego Maximus

Post by Maximus
no observed fact. easy to be christian is you believe
everything your told, and don't question anything

No, that is just your narcissism and megalomania speaking, in
the "full of yourself" superficial mindbogglingly stupid
ignorance and arrogance, Moronimus Maximus.
Other than that, it is all good.

Michael,
With a God, I can imagine a universe that is vastly, vastly

different

Post by Dawn Flood
than the one that we are living in now in almost innumerably
different ways.

Immeasurably.
This universe is already dead, so obviously. It is only an

appearance

Post by Michael Christ
of "living." Death is not just in the grave; marching towards
the grave is death. Our cells tell you from the moment we are
born that the replacing cells are not quite the same, as good,
as the

original.

Post by Dawn Flood
As it is, things seem to me to be far too "natural".
Dawn

Post by Michael Christ
life than physics (science).

so are you saying personality is from some sort of God presence

within?

Post by Maximus
if so what about animals? they have personalities too. do they too

have

Post by Maximus
some divine presence within?

Bingo. Genesis went to great length
to separate animals from people when it
comes to divinity yet when God was angry
about "corruption" he drowned the animals
along with people.

Post by Michael Christ
Once again, you have me dancing to your tune, Dawn, but I am not

going

Post by Michael Christ
to keep doing that forever.

translation: I will not engage in rational debate. i just want to

spruik

Post by Maximus
my gobbledygook

This is the equivalant of Robert's
"This conversation is over" whenever you
catch him in a contradiction or a claim
he cannot prove.

I hope that you are able to listen to that 7-hour debate between
Professor Bart Ehrman and Dr. Mike Licona, the latter who admitted
during the debate that a believer is susceptible to losing their
faith unless they are "grounded", a candid admission that to
believe is to be brainwashed.
Dawn

All arguments with all Christians
eventually boil down to "you just have
to have faith".
Maybe that is why so many have
come here and left, they cannot prove
any of their claims.

Or maybe they got tired of all the redundant questions you use for
answers.

If Christians had facts they wouldn't need faith.

exactly

Unless you know everything, it took faith to believe that shit!

it's true. if it could be proved that Jesus rose from the dead, or
angels exist, or all the other stuff, faith is not necessary

The point was, Buddy, you saying "exactly" is based on your faith.

You can't live without faith.

Please wake up to at least some grown up common sense or I going to have
to delete you again!

Michael Christ

Post by Michael Christ
Sheesh!
Michael Christ

--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30 I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God, God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

"Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners."

"Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any
exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."

Maximus

2024-04-21 09:37:26 UTC

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Post by Maximus
I'm of the opinion that the more a person knows about
the christian faith, the less likely they are to
believe in
it.

That's just your narcissism and megalomania speaking though.

Mego Maximus

Post by Maximus
no observed fact. easy to be christian is you believe
everything your told, and don't question anything

No, that is just your narcissism and megalomania speaking, in
the "full of yourself" superficial mindbogglingly stupid
ignorance and arrogance, Moronimus Maximus.
Other than that, it is all good.

Michael,
With a God, I can imagine a universe that is vastly, vastly

different

Post by Dawn Flood
than the one that we are living in now in almost innumerably
different ways.

Immeasurably.
This universe is already dead, so obviously. It is only an

appearance

Post by Michael Christ
of "living." Death is not just in the grave; marching towards
the grave is death. Our cells tell you from the moment we are
born that the replacing cells are not quite the same, as good,
as the

original.

Post by Dawn Flood
As it is, things seem to me to be far too "natural".
Dawn

Post by Michael Christ
life than physics (science).

so are you saying personality is from some sort of God presence

within?

Post by Maximus
if so what about animals? they have personalities too. do they too

have

Post by Maximus
some divine presence within?

Bingo. Genesis went to great length
to separate animals from people when it
comes to divinity yet when God was angry
about "corruption" he drowned the animals
along with people.

Post by Michael Christ
Once again, you have me dancing to your tune, Dawn, but I am not

going

Post by Michael Christ
to keep doing that forever.

translation: I will not engage in rational debate. i just want to

spruik

Post by Maximus
my gobbledygook

This is the equivalant of Robert's
"This conversation is over" whenever you
catch him in a contradiction or a claim
he cannot prove.

I hope that you are able to listen to that 7-hour debate between
Professor Bart Ehrman and Dr. Mike Licona, the latter who admitted
during the debate that a believer is susceptible to losing their
faith unless they are "grounded", a candid admission that to
believe is to be brainwashed.
Dawn

All arguments with all Christians
eventually boil down to "you just have
to have faith".
Maybe that is why so many have
come here and left, they cannot prove
any of their claims.

Or maybe they got tired of all the redundant questions you use for
answers.

If Christians had facts they wouldn't need faith.

exactly

Unless you know everything, it took faith to believe that shit!

it's true. if it could be proved that Jesus rose from the dead, or
angels exist, or all the other stuff, faith is not necessary

The point was, Buddy, you saying "exactly" is based on your faith.

faith has nothing to do with it. it's plain logic and common sense. when
there is proof truth is established. there's no longer any need for
faith that ones belief is true. but why challenge me, why not address
the comments author?

Post by Michael Christ
You can't live without faith.
Please wake up to at least some grown up common sense

that's what you need to do. your reasoning, or what passes for it, is
totally flawed

Post by Michael Christ
or I going to have to delete you again!

be my guest

Post by Michael Christ
Michael Christ

Michael Christ

2024-04-21 10:05:50 UTC

news:v00rh0$3p04n$1

Post by Maximus
I'm of the opinion that the more a person knows about
the christian faith, the less likely they are to
believe in
it.

That's just your narcissism and megalomania speaking though.

Mego Maximus

Post by Maximus
no observed fact. easy to be christian is you believe
everything your told, and don't question anything

No, that is just your narcissism and megalomania speaking, in
the "full of yourself" superficial mindbogglingly stupid
ignorance and arrogance, Moronimus Maximus.
Other than that, it is all good.

Michael,
With a God, I can imagine a universe that is vastly, vastly

different

Post by Dawn Flood
than the one that we are living in now in almost innumerably
different ways.

Immeasurably.
This universe is already dead, so obviously. It is only an

appearance

Post by Michael Christ
of "living." Death is not just in the grave; marching towards
the grave is death. Our cells tell you from the moment we are
born that the replacing cells are not quite the same, as good,
as the

original.

Post by Dawn Flood
As it is, things seem to me to be far too "natural".
Dawn

Post by Michael Christ
life than physics (science).

so are you saying personality is from some sort of God presence

within?

Post by Maximus
if so what about animals? they have personalities too. do they too

have

Post by Maximus
some divine presence within?

Bingo. Genesis went to great length
to separate animals from people when it
comes to divinity yet when God was angry
about "corruption" he drowned the animals
along with people.

Post by Michael Christ
Once again, you have me dancing to your tune, Dawn, but I am not

going

Post by Michael Christ
to keep doing that forever.

translation: I will not engage in rational debate. i just want to

spruik

Post by Maximus
my gobbledygook

This is the equivalant of Robert's
"This conversation is over" whenever you
catch him in a contradiction or a claim
he cannot prove.

I hope that you are able to listen to that 7-hour debate between
Professor Bart Ehrman and Dr. Mike Licona, the latter who admitted
during the debate that a believer is susceptible to losing their
faith unless they are "grounded", a candid admission that to
believe is to be brainwashed.
Dawn

All arguments with all Christians
eventually boil down to "you just have
to have faith".
Maybe that is why so many have
come here and left, they cannot prove
any of their claims.

Or maybe they got tired of all the redundant questions you use for
answers.

If Christians had facts they wouldn't need faith.

exactly

Unless you know everything, it took faith to believe that shit!

it's true. if it could be proved that Jesus rose from the dead, or
angels exist, or all the other stuff, faith is not necessary

The point was, Buddy, you saying "exactly" is based on your faith.

faith has nothing to do with it.

Just forget about it. You're a shallow denying idiot and you will remain
one.

Michael Christ

it's plain logic and common sense. when

Post by Maximus
there is proof truth is established. there's no longer any need for
faith that ones belief is true. but why challenge me, why not address
the comments author?

Post by Michael Christ
You can't live without faith.
Please wake up to at least some grown up common sense

that's what you need to do. your reasoning, or what passes for it, is
totally flawed

Post by Michael Christ
or I going to have to delete you again!

be my guest

Post by Michael Christ
Michael Christ

Maximus

2024-04-21 12:26:24 UTC

news:v00rh0$3p04n$1

Post by Maximus
I'm of the opinion that the more a person knows about
the christian faith, the less likely they are to
believe in
it.

That's just your narcissism and megalomania speaking
though.

Mego Maximus

Post by Maximus
no observed fact. easy to be christian is you believe
everything your told, and don't question anything

No, that is just your narcissism and megalomania
speaking, in
the "full of yourself" superficial mindbogglingly stupid
ignorance and arrogance, Moronimus Maximus.
Other than that, it is all good.

Michael,
With a God, I can imagine a universe that is vastly, vastly

different

Post by Dawn Flood
than the one that we are living in now in almost innumerably
different ways.

Immeasurably.
This universe is already dead, so obviously. It is only an

appearance

Post by Michael Christ
of "living." Death is not just in the grave; marching towards
the grave is death. Our cells tell you from the moment we are
born that the replacing cells are not quite the same, as good,
as the

original.

Post by Dawn Flood
As it is, things seem to me to be far too "natural".
Dawn

Post by Michael Christ
life than physics (science).

so are you saying personality is from some sort of God presence

within?

Post by Maximus
if so what about animals? they have personalities too. do they too

have

Post by Maximus
some divine presence within?

Bingo. Genesis went to great length
to separate animals from people when it
comes to divinity yet when God was angry
about "corruption" he drowned the animals
along with people.

Post by Michael Christ
Once again, you have me dancing to your tune, Dawn, but I am not

going

Post by Michael Christ
to keep doing that forever.

translation: I will not engage in rational debate. i just want to

spruik

Post by Maximus
my gobbledygook

This is the equivalant of Robert's
"This conversation is over" whenever you
catch him in a contradiction or a claim
he cannot prove.

I hope that you are able to listen to that 7-hour debate between
Professor Bart Ehrman and Dr. Mike Licona, the latter who admitted
during the debate that a believer is susceptible to losing their
faith unless they are "grounded", a candid admission that to
believe is to be brainwashed.
Dawn

All arguments with all Christians
eventually boil down to "you just have
to have faith".
Maybe that is why so many have
come here and left, they cannot prove
any of their claims.

Or maybe they got tired of all the redundant questions you use for
answers.

If Christians had facts they wouldn't need faith.

exactly

Unless you know everything, it took faith to believe that shit!

it's true. if it could be proved that Jesus rose from the dead, or
angels exist, or all the other stuff, faith is not necessary

The point was, Buddy, you saying "exactly" is based on your faith.

faith has nothing to do with it.

Just forget about it. You're a shallow denying idiot and you will
remain one.

no, I'm sensible and rational, and I justify what i say. the idiot is you

Post by Michael Christ
Michael Christ
it's plain logic and common sense. when

Post by Maximus
there is proof truth is established. there's no longer any need for
faith that ones belief is true. but why challenge me, why not address
the comments author?

Post by Michael Christ
You can't live without faith.
Please wake up to at least some grown up common sense

that's what you need to do. your reasoning, or what passes for it, is
totally flawed

Post by Michael Christ
or I going to have to delete you again!

be my guest

Post by Michael Christ
Michael Christ

Michael Christ

2024-04-21 21:21:39 UTC

news:v00rh0$3p04n$1

Post by Maximus
I'm of the opinion that the more a person knows about
the christian faith, the less likely they are to
believe in
it.

That's just your narcissism and megalomania speaking
though.

Mego Maximus

Post by Maximus
no observed fact. easy to be christian is you believe
everything your told, and don't question anything

No, that is just your narcissism and megalomania speaking, in
the "full of yourself" superficial mindbogglingly stupid
ignorance and arrogance, Moronimus Maximus.
Other than that, it is all good.

Michael,
With a God, I can imagine a universe that is vastly, vastly

different

Post by Dawn Flood
than the one that we are living in now in almost innumerably
different ways.

Immeasurably.
This universe is already dead, so obviously. It is only an

appearance

Post by Michael Christ
of "living." Death is not just in the grave; marching towards
the grave is death. Our cells tell you from the moment we are
born that the replacing cells are not quite the same, as good,
as the

original.

Post by Dawn Flood
As it is, things seem to me to be far too "natural".
Dawn

Post by Michael Christ
life than physics (science).

so are you saying personality is from some sort of God presence

within?

Post by Maximus
if so what about animals? they have personalities too. do they too

have

Post by Maximus
some divine presence within?

Bingo. Genesis went to great length
to separate animals from people when it
comes to divinity yet when God was angry
about "corruption" he drowned the animals
along with people.

Post by Michael Christ
Once again, you have me dancing to your tune, Dawn, but I am not

going

Post by Michael Christ
to keep doing that forever.

translation: I will not engage in rational debate. i just want to

spruik

Post by Maximus
my gobbledygook

This is the equivalant of Robert's
"This conversation is over" whenever you
catch him in a contradiction or a claim
he cannot prove.

I hope that you are able to listen to that 7-hour debate between
Professor Bart Ehrman and Dr. Mike Licona, the latter who admitted
during the debate that a believer is susceptible to losing their
faith unless they are "grounded", a candid admission that to
believe is to be brainwashed.
Dawn

All arguments with all Christians
eventually boil down to "you just have
to have faith".
Maybe that is why so many have
come here and left, they cannot prove
any of their claims.

Or maybe they got tired of all the redundant questions you use for
answers.

If Christians had facts they wouldn't need faith.

exactly

Unless you know everything, it took faith to believe that shit!

it's true. if it could be proved that Jesus rose from the dead, or
angels exist, or all the other stuff, faith is not necessary

The point was, Buddy, you saying "exactly" is based on your faith.

faith has nothing to do with it.

Just forget about it. You're a shallow denying idiot and you will
remain one.

no, I'm sensible and rational, and I justify what i say. the idiot is you

You talk about reason, but you don't reason; all you do is take a dump
with your opinion, and that is it.

So, you will remain as you are.

Michael Christ

Post by Michael Christ
Michael Christ
it's plain logic and common sense. when

Post by Maximus
there is proof truth is established. there's no longer any need for
faith that ones belief is true. but why challenge me, why not address
the comments author?

Post by Michael Christ
You can't live without faith.
Please wake up to at least some grown up common sense

that's what you need to do. your reasoning, or what passes for it, is
totally flawed

Post by Michael Christ
or I going to have to delete you again!

be my guest

Post by Michael Christ
Michael Christ

Little@man.Ball

2024-04-21 16:07:27 UTC

On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 01:45:17 +0000

Post by Mitchell Holman
If Christians had facts they wouldn't need faith.

If secularists quit making up 'facts' to justify their wants, faith
would eclipse evil.

Mitchell Holman

2024-04-21 18:25:54 UTC

Post by ***@man.Ball
On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 01:45:17 +0000

Post by Mitchell Holman
If Christians had facts they wouldn't need faith.

If secularists quit making up 'facts' to justify their wants, faith
would eclipse evil.

Modern Christian: Someone who rejects
faith healing and demands latest advances
from "secularist facts" whenever THEY get
sick.

Little@man.Ball

2024-04-21 18:49:09 UTC

On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 18:25:54 +0000

Post by Mitchell Holman
Modern Christian: Someone who rejects
faith healing

A lie.

See: Christian Scientists.

Andrew

2024-04-20 19:40:48 UTC

"Mitchell Holman" wrote in message news:***@69.80.102.18...
<<>>

Post by Mitchell Holman
All arguments with all Christians
eventually boil down to "you just have
to have faith".
Maybe that is why so many have
come here and left, they cannot prove
any of their claims.

The atheists faith is based on fantasy.
Whereas the theists faith is based on
science.

The atheists origin myth is contrary
to the laws of science and is based
on fantasy. Yet it has deceived the
gullible and the ignorant..

Robert

2024-04-20 18:31:46 UTC

Post by Maximus
I'm of the opinion that the more a person knows about
the christian faith, the less likely they are to believe in it.

That's just your narcissism and megalomania speaking though.

Mego Maximus

Post by Maximus
no observed fact. easy to be christian is you believe everything
your told, and don't question anything

No, that is just your narcissism and megalomania speaking, in the
"full of yourself" superficial mindbogglingly stupid ignorance and
arrogance, Moronimus Maximus.
Other than that, it is all good.

Michael,
With a God, I can imagine a universe that is vastly, vastly different
than the one that we are living in now in almost innumerably
different ways.

Immeasurably.
This universe is already dead, so obviously. It is only an appearance
of "living." Death is not just in the grave; marching towards the
grave is death. Our cells tell you from the moment we are born that
the replacing cells are not quite the same, as good, as the original.

Post by Dawn Flood
As it is, things seem to me to be far too "natural".
Dawn

so are you saying personality is from some sort of God presence within?
if so what about animals? they have personalities too. do they too have
some divine presence within?

Bingo. Genesis went to great length
to separate animals from people when it
comes to divinity yet when God was angry
about "corruption" he drowned the animals
along with people.

Post by Michael Christ
Once again, you have me dancing to your tune, Dawn, but I am not going
to keep doing that forever.

translation: I will not engage in rational debate. i just want to

spruik

Post by Maximus
my gobbledygook

This is the equivalant of Robert's
"This conversation is over" whenever you
catch him in a contradiction or a claim
he cannot prove.

Jesus also taught about those that fall away due to the fact that they were
not grounded, IOW no roots, and due to the desires of fulfilling their
natural desires over their spiritual desires.

Your reshaping of what was said in order to understand with your natural
mind, does not negate the truth.

Michael Christ

2024-04-21 10:31:19 UTC

Post by Maximus
I'm of the opinion that the more a person knows about
the christian faith, the less likely they are to believe in it.

That's just your narcissism and megalomania speaking though.

Mego Maximus

Post by Maximus
no observed fact. easy to be christian is you believe everything
your told, and don't question anything

No, that is just your narcissism and megalomania speaking, in the
"full of yourself" superficial mindbogglingly stupid ignorance and
arrogance, Moronimus Maximus.
Other than that, it is all good.

Michael,
With a God, I can imagine a universe that is vastly, vastly different
than the one that we are living in now in almost innumerably
different ways.

Immeasurably.
This universe is already dead, so obviously. It is only an appearance
of "living." Death is not just in the grave; marching towards the
grave is death. Our cells tell you from the moment we are born that
the replacing cells are not quite the same, as good, as the original.

Post by Dawn Flood
As it is, things seem to me to be far too "natural".
Dawn

so are you saying personality is from some sort of God presence within?
if so what about animals? they have personalities too. do they too have
some divine presence within?

Bingo. Genesis went to great length
to separate animals from people when it
comes to divinity yet when God was angry
about "corruption" he drowned the animals
along with people.

Post by Michael Christ
Once again, you have me dancing to your tune, Dawn, but I am not going
to keep doing that forever.

translation: I will not engage in rational debate. i just want to

spruik

Post by Maximus
my gobbledygook

This is the equivalant of Robert's
"This conversation is over" whenever you
catch him in a contradiction or a claim
he cannot prove.

Bullshit.

Michael Christ
--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30 I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God, God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

"Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners."

"Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any
exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."

Lil-man-ball

2024-04-20 17:20:23 UTC

On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 13:33:43 +0000

Post by Mitchell Holman
Genesis went to great length
to separate animals from people when it
comes to divinity yet when God was angry
about "corruption" he drowned the animals
along with people.

You do realize that it was in the animals on the Ark that evil was
released again unto the descendants of Noah and Ham.

You moron.

https://lifehopeandtruth.com/bible/blog/clean-and-unclean-animals-on-the-ark/

Genesis 7:2
You shall take with you seven each of every clean animal, a male and his female; two each of animals that are unclean, a male and his female.

Noah was commanded to take seven pairs (a pair being a male and a
female) of clean animals and one pair of unclean animals.

Robert

2024-04-20 18:38:30 UTC

Post by Lil-man-ball
On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 13:33:43 +0000

Post by Mitchell Holman
Genesis went to great length
to separate animals from people when it
comes to divinity yet when God was angry
about "corruption" he drowned the animals
along with people.

You do realize that it was in the animals on the Ark that evil was
released again unto the descendants of Noah and Ham.
You moron.
https://lifehopeandtruth.com/bible/blog/clean-and-unclean-animals-on-the-ark/
Genesis 7:2
You shall take with you seven each of every clean animal, a male and his
female; two each of animals that are unclean, a male and his female.
Noah was commanded to take seven pairs (a pair being a male and a
female) of clean animals and one pair of unclean animals.

Unclean animals simple means that they were not suitable as a suitable
sacrifice to God.
Also, most of those animals were unfit to eat when not cooked properly and
could cause sickness and or death when not properly prepared. UnKosher.

The clean animals were also used as a sacrifice to God for thanksgiving for
their deliverance when the flood subsided, as well as some for the cleansing
of their sins. No unclean animal was used for those purposes, ever, by Godly
people.

Lil-man-ball

2024-04-20 18:55:29 UTC

On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 11:38:30 -0700

Post by Lil-man-ball
On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 13:33:43 +0000

Post by Mitchell Holman
Genesis went to great length
to separate animals from people when it
comes to divinity yet when God was angry
about "corruption" he drowned the animals
along with people.

You do realize that it was in the animals on the Ark that evil was
released again unto the descendants of Noah and Ham.
You moron.
https://lifehopeandtruth.com/bible/blog/clean-and-unclean-animals-on-the-ark/
Genesis 7:2
You shall take with you seven each of every clean animal, a male
and his female; two each of animals that are unclean, a male and
his female.
Noah was commanded to take seven pairs (a pair being a male and a
female) of clean animals and one pair of unclean animals.

Unclean animals simple means that they were not suitable as a
suitable sacrifice to God.
Also, most of those animals were unfit to eat when not cooked
properly and could cause sickness and or death when not properly
prepared. UnKosher.
The clean animals were also used as a sacrifice to God for
thanksgiving for their deliverance when the flood subsided, as well
as some for the cleansing of their sins. No unclean animal was used
for those purposes, ever, by Godly people.

The spirit of Satan went with the animals unto Ham.

Skeeter

2024-04-20 19:31:25 UTC

Post by Lil-man-ball
On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 11:38:30 -0700

Post by Lil-man-ball
On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 13:33:43 +0000

Post by Mitchell Holman
Genesis went to great length
to separate animals from people when it
comes to divinity yet when God was angry
about "corruption" he drowned the animals
along with people.

You do realize that it was in the animals on the Ark that evil was
released again unto the descendants of Noah and Ham.
You moron.
https://lifehopeandtruth.com/bible/blog/clean-and-unclean-animals-on-the-ark/
Genesis 7:2
You shall take with you seven each of every clean animal, a male
and his female; two each of animals that are unclean, a male and
his female.
Noah was commanded to take seven pairs (a pair being a male and a
female) of clean animals and one pair of unclean animals.

Unclean animals simple means that they were not suitable as a
suitable sacrifice to God.
Also, most of those animals were unfit to eat when not cooked
properly and could cause sickness and or death when not properly
prepared. UnKosher.
The clean animals were also used as a sacrifice to God for
thanksgiving for their deliverance when the flood subsided, as well
as some for the cleansing of their sins. No unclean animal was used
for those purposes, ever, by Godly people.

The spirit of Satan went with the animals unto Ham.

Are you telling a porky?

Robert

2024-04-20 23:35:01 UTC

Post by Lil-man-ball
On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 11:38:30 -0700

Post by Lil-man-ball
On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 13:33:43 +0000

Post by Mitchell Holman
Genesis went to great length
to separate animals from people when it
comes to divinity yet when God was angry
about "corruption" he drowned the animals
along with people.

You do realize that it was in the animals on the Ark that evil was
released again unto the descendants of Noah and Ham.
You moron.
https://lifehopeandtruth.com/bible/blog/clean-and-unclean-animals-on-the-ar
k/
Genesis 7:2
You shall take with you seven each of every clean animal, a male
and his female; two each of animals that are unclean, a male and
his female.
Noah was commanded to take seven pairs (a pair being a male and a
female) of clean animals and one pair of unclean animals.

Unclean animals simple means that they were not suitable as a
suitable sacrifice to God.
Also, most of those animals were unfit to eat when not cooked
properly and could cause sickness and or death when not properly
prepared. UnKosher.
The clean animals were also used as a sacrifice to God for
thanksgiving for their deliverance when the flood subsided, as well
as some for the cleansing of their sins. No unclean animal was used
for those purposes, ever, by Godly people.

The spirit of Satan went with the animals unto Ham.

Nope

Maximus

2024-04-20 23:42:44 UTC

Post by Lil-man-ball
On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 11:38:30 -0700

Post by Lil-man-ball
On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 13:33:43 +0000

Post by Mitchell Holman
Genesis went to great length
to separate animals from people when it
comes to divinity yet when God was angry
about "corruption" he drowned the animals
along with people.

You do realize that it was in the animals on the Ark that evil was
released again unto the descendants of Noah and Ham.
You moron.
https://lifehopeandtruth.com/bible/blog/clean-and-unclean-animals-on-the-ar
k/
Genesis 7:2
You shall take with you seven each of every clean animal, a male
and his female; two each of animals that are unclean, a male and
his female.
Noah was commanded to take seven pairs (a pair being a male and a
female) of clean animals and one pair of unclean animals.

Unclean animals simple means that they were not suitable as a
suitable sacrifice to God.
Also, most of those animals were unfit to eat when not cooked
properly and could cause sickness and or death when not properly
prepared. UnKosher.
The clean animals were also used as a sacrifice to God for
thanksgiving for their deliverance when the flood subsided, as well
as some for the cleansing of their sins. No unclean animal was used
for those purposes, ever, by Godly people.

The spirit of Satan went with the animals unto Ham.

Nope

you lot can't even agree on what to believe.
--
“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23

"Christian beliefs cannot withstand reason, fact, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"

Robert

2024-04-21 04:04:36 UTC

Post by Lil-man-ball
On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 11:38:30 -0700

Post by Lil-man-ball
On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 13:33:43 +0000

Post by Mitchell Holman
Genesis went to great length
to separate animals from people when it
comes to divinity yet when God was angry
about "corruption" he drowned the animals
along with people.

You do realize that it was in the animals on the Ark that evil was
released again unto the descendants of Noah and Ham.
You moron.
https://lifehopeandtruth.com/bible/blog/clean-and-unclean-animals-on-the-
ar
k/
Genesis 7:2
You shall take with you seven each of every clean animal, a male
and his female; two each of animals that are unclean, a male and
his female.
Noah was commanded to take seven pairs (a pair being a male and a
female) of clean animals and one pair of unclean animals.

Unclean animals simple means that they were not suitable as a
suitable sacrifice to God.
Also, most of those animals were unfit to eat when not cooked
properly and could cause sickness and or death when not properly
prepared. UnKosher.
The clean animals were also used as a sacrifice to God for
thanksgiving for their deliverance when the flood subsided, as well
as some for the cleansing of their sins. No unclean animal was used
for those purposes, ever, by Godly people.

The spirit of Satan went with the animals unto Ham.

Nope

you lot can't even agree on what to believe.

Because you lump everyone into the same box and cannot make a distinction
between what is correct and what is not correct.

Maximus

2024-04-21 05:13:48 UTC

Post by Lil-man-ball
On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 11:38:30 -0700

Post by Lil-man-ball
On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 13:33:43 +0000

Post by Mitchell Holman
Genesis went to great length
to separate animals from people when it
comes to divinity yet when God was angry
about "corruption" he drowned the animals
along with people.

You do realize that it was in the animals on the Ark that evil was
released again unto the descendants of Noah and Ham.
You moron.
https://lifehopeandtruth.com/bible/blog/clean-and-unclean-animals-on-the-
ar
k/
Genesis 7:2
You shall take with you seven each of every clean animal, a male
and his female; two each of animals that are unclean, a male and
his female.
Noah was commanded to take seven pairs (a pair being a male and a
female) of clean animals and one pair of unclean animals.

Unclean animals simple means that they were not suitable as a
suitable sacrifice to God.
Also, most of those animals were unfit to eat when not cooked
properly and could cause sickness and or death when not properly
prepared. UnKosher.
The clean animals were also used as a sacrifice to God for
thanksgiving for their deliverance when the flood subsided, as well
as some for the cleansing of their sins. No unclean animal was used
for those purposes, ever, by Godly people.

The spirit of Satan went with the animals unto Ham.

Nope

you lot can't even agree on what to believe.

Because you lump everyone into the same box and cannot make a distinction
between what is correct and what is not correct.

on what basis does one decide? if there is no God, then none are correct
--
“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23

"Christian beliefs cannot withstand reason, fact, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"

Robert

2024-04-21 06:45:37 UTC

Post by Lil-man-ball
On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 11:38:30 -0700

Post by Lil-man-ball
On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 13:33:43 +0000

Post by Mitchell Holman
Genesis went to great length
to separate animals from people when it
comes to divinity yet when God was angry
about "corruption" he drowned the animals
along with people.

You do realize that it was in the animals on the Ark that evil was
released again unto the descendants of Noah and Ham.
You moron.
https://lifehopeandtruth.com/bible/blog/clean-and-unclean-animals-on-th
e-
ar
k/
Genesis 7:2
You shall take with you seven each of every clean animal, a male
and his female; two each of animals that are unclean, a male and
his female.
Noah was commanded to take seven pairs (a pair being a male and a
female) of clean animals and one pair of unclean animals.

Unclean animals simple means that they were not suitable as a
suitable sacrifice to God.
Also, most of those animals were unfit to eat when not cooked
properly and could cause sickness and or death when not properly
prepared. UnKosher.
The clean animals were also used as a sacrifice to God for
thanksgiving for their deliverance when the flood subsided, as well
as some for the cleansing of their sins. No unclean animal was used
for those purposes, ever, by Godly people.

The spirit of Satan went with the animals unto Ham.

Nope

you lot can't even agree on what to believe.

Because you lump everyone into the same box and cannot make a distinction
between what is correct and what is not correct.

on what basis does one decide? if there is no God, then none are correct

The NT teaches what is a Believer, and how they behave, and those who exhibit
actions outside those scopes are not the true followers of Jesus. It teaches
what is a fraud as well. Yes, Believers can get caught up in the affairs of
this world at times, but they should self correct, or correct when admonished
by God, or their elders. I recently posted some scripture directly pointed to
that, but only in the NG’s that were supposed to have “christians”
posting there. I typically do never post directly to AA.

Even the Roman government sent people to Israel and other places to see what
made the Christians tick and behave the way they did in those days at the
beginning after the resurrection of Christ.

Mitchell Holman

2024-04-21 13:30:47 UTC

Post by Robert
Even the Roman government sent people to Israel and other places to
see what made the Christians tick and behave the way they did in those
days at the beginning after the resurrection of Christ.

I would love see some proof of that one...

Little@man.Ball

2024-04-21 16:10:39 UTC

On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 13:30:47 +0000

Post by Robert
Even the Roman government sent people to Israel and other places to
see what made the Christians tick and behave the way they did in
those days at the beginning after the resurrection of Christ.

I would love see some proof of that one...

Um...the Crusades!

Ya buttfucking moron.

Mitchell Holman

2024-04-21 18:29:41 UTC

Post by ***@man.Ball
On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 13:30:47 +0000

Post by Robert
Even the Roman government sent people to Israel and other places to
see what made the Christians tick and behave the way they did in
those days at the beginning after the resurrection of Christ.

I would love see some proof of that one...

Um...the Crusades!

1) Pope Urban II was hardly "the Roman government".

2) He hardly cared about "what made Christians tick"
in Israel.

Little@man.Ball

2024-04-21 18:50:42 UTC

On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 18:29:41 +0000

Post by ***@man.Ball
Um...the Crusades!

1) Pope Urban II was hardly "the Roman government".
2) He hardly cared about "what made Christians tick"
in Israel.

You LOST his one BIG TIME, Holefucker.

Btw - it was Constantine who homologated the Bible into a monotheistic
constant after he panoply of roman "gods" failed during a time
of...wait for it...CLIMATE CHANGE!

Ya dumb buttfucker!

Robert

2024-04-21 19:09:18 UTC

I would love see some proof of that one...

It has already been given to you several times, what difference would it make
to show you one more time when you are opposed to truth?

Little@man.Ball

2024-04-21 16:05:06 UTC

On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 16:35:01 -0700

Post by Lil-man-ball
On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 11:38:30 -0700

Post by Lil-man-ball
On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 13:33:43 +0000

Post by Mitchell Holman
Genesis went to great length
to separate animals from people when it
comes to divinity yet when God was angry
about "corruption" he drowned the animals
along with people.

You do realize that it was in the animals on the Ark that evil
was released again unto the descendants of Noah and Ham.
You moron.
https://lifehopeandtruth.com/bible/blog/clean-and-unclean-animals-on-the-ar
k/
Genesis 7:2
You shall take with you seven each of every clean animal, a male
and his female; two each of animals that are unclean, a male and
his female.
Noah was commanded to take seven pairs (a pair being a male and
a female) of clean animals and one pair of unclean animals.

Unclean animals simple means that they were not suitable as a
suitable sacrifice to God.
Also, most of those animals were unfit to eat when not cooked
properly and could cause sickness and or death when not properly
prepared. UnKosher.
The clean animals were also used as a sacrifice to God for
thanksgiving for their deliverance when the flood subsided, as
well as some for the cleansing of their sins. No unclean animal
was used for those purposes, ever, by Godly people.

The spirit of Satan went with the animals unto Ham.

Nope

Yes.

Satan, the devil was there long before it was built and was in and
around it after it set sail. Of course, The Creator had all power to
protect the Crew of the ship and that His plan had gone the way He had
accorded it. The devil however, at the time knowing that He was no
match for the Creator, he had to sit back and choose when to pounce on
the human elements existing at the time, by way of the human nature
that is so prone to his wicked and sinful way of doing things. As we
later see what happened when Noah got drunk and his son Ham found him
and chose to go an tell his brothers what he saw, making fun od the the
situation and not seek to cover his father's nakedness and not let it
be an issue.

Robert

2024-04-21 19:13:08 UTC

Post by ***@man.Ball
On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 16:35:01 -0700

Post by Lil-man-ball
On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 11:38:30 -0700

Post by Lil-man-ball
On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 13:33:43 +0000

Post by Mitchell Holman
Genesis went to great length
to separate animals from people when it
comes to divinity yet when God was angry
about "corruption" he drowned the animals
along with people.

You do realize that it was in the animals on the Ark that evil
was released again unto the descendants of Noah and Ham.
You moron.
https://lifehopeandtruth.com/bible/blog/clean-and-unclean-animals-on-the-
ar
k/
Genesis 7:2
You shall take with you seven each of every clean animal, a male
and his female; two each of animals that are unclean, a male and
his female.
Noah was commanded to take seven pairs (a pair being a male and
a female) of clean animals and one pair of unclean animals.

Unclean animals simple means that they were not suitable as a
suitable sacrifice to God.
Also, most of those animals were unfit to eat when not cooked
properly and could cause sickness and or death when not properly
prepared. UnKosher.
The clean animals were also used as a sacrifice to God for
thanksgiving for their deliverance when the flood subsided, as
well as some for the cleansing of their sins. No unclean animal
was used for those purposes, ever, by Godly people.

The spirit of Satan went with the animals unto Ham.

Nope

Yes.
Satan, the devil was there long before it was built and was in and
around it after it set sail. Of course, The Creator had all power to
protect the Crew of the ship and that His plan had gone the way He had
accorded it. The devil however, at the time knowing that He was no
match for the Creator, he had to sit back and choose when to pounce on
the human elements existing at the time, by way of the human nature
that is so prone to his wicked and sinful way of doing things. As we
later see what happened when Noah got drunk and his son Ham found him
and chose to go an tell his brothers what he saw, making fun od the the
situation and not seek to cover his father's nakedness and not let it
be an issue.

Nope.

The spirit of satan did not migrate from the animals to Ham.

The evil spirits have been here since Adam. They do not need flesh to
survive. They are spirit.

Maximus

2024-04-20 23:30:09 UTC

Post by Lil-man-ball
On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 13:33:43 +0000

Post by Mitchell Holman
Genesis went to great length
to separate animals from people when it
comes to divinity yet when God was angry
about "corruption" he drowned the animals
along with people.

You do realize that it was in the animals on the Ark that evil was
released again unto the descendants of Noah and Ham.
You moron.

yes you are if you believe Noah's Ark really happened or is even possible

Post by Lil-man-ball
https://lifehopeandtruth.com/bible/blog/clean-and-unclean-animals-on-the-ark/
Genesis 7:2
You shall take with you seven each of every clean animal, a male and his female; two each of animals that are unclean, a male and his female.
Noah was commanded to take seven pairs (a pair being a male and a
female) of clean animals and one pair of unclean animals.

Little@man.Ball

2024-04-21 16:02:48 UTC

On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 09:30:09 +1000

Post by Maximus
if you believe Noah's Ark really happened or is even possible

If not, you're in denial:

https://arkencounter.com/

Ark Encounter features a full-size Noah’s Ark, built according to the
dimensions given in the Bible. Spanning 510 feet long, 85 feet wide,
and 51 feet high, this modern engineering marvel amazes visitors young
and old.

Mitchell Holman

2024-04-21 18:36:44 UTC

Post by ***@man.Ball
On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 09:30:09 +1000

Post by Maximus
if you believe Noah's Ark really happened or is even possible

https://arkencounter.com/
Ark Encounter features a full-size Noahâs Ark, built according to the
dimensions given in the Bible. Spanning 510 feet long, 85 feet wide,
and 51 feet high, this modern engineering marvel amazes visitors young
and old.

Known land animal species =

Insects: 1 million+ species
Arachnids: 75,500 species
Reptiles: 7,984 species
Amphibians: 5,400 species
Birds: 9,000-10,000 species
Mammals: 4,475-5,000 species
Dinosaurs 750 known species
http://tinyurl.com/3xd4xd3

And they all fit into Ye Ark,
along with a years supply of food
for each of them.

Right.....................

Little@man.Ball

2024-04-21 19:23:08 UTC

On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 18:36:44 +0000

Post by ***@man.Ball
On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 09:30:09 +1000

Post by Maximus
if you believe Noah's Ark really happened or is even possible

https://arkencounter.com/
Ark Encounter features a full-size Noah’s Ark, built according to
the dimensions given in the Bible. Spanning 510 feet long, 85 feet
wide, and 51 feet high, this modern engineering marvel amazes
visitors young and old.

Known land animal species =
Insects: 1 million+ species

Takes about 7 species to reboot ALL the DNA - seriously, dumb fuck!

68hx.1806

2024-04-21 20:54:41 UTC

Post by ***@man.Ball
On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 18:36:44 +0000

Post by ***@man.Ball
On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 09:30:09 +1000

Post by Maximus
if you believe Noah's Ark really happened or is even possible

Known land animal species =
Insects: 1 million+ species

Takes about 7 species to reboot ALL the DNA - seriously, dumb fuck!

Um ... better take a few bio night-courses.

Beetles do not produce grasshoppers do not
produce centipedes. The DNA bits do not just
recombine into a million other distinct
species - esp in a short time.

Oh wait ... "GAWD *WILLED* IT !!!" :-)

"Discussions" like this are why everybody should just
drop the religion BS entirely. "Reasoning" using mythos
as axioms, castles built upon clouds ...... there's an
old computer-sci term "GIGO" - which means "Garbage IN =
Garbage OUT".

Skeeter

2024-04-21 21:03:20 UTC

In article <***@earthlink.com>, 68hx.1805
@g5t8x.net says...

Post by ***@man.Ball
On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 18:36:44 +0000

Post by ***@man.Ball
On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 09:30:09 +1000

Post by Maximus
if you believe Noah's Ark really happened or is even possible

https://arkencounter.com/
Ark Encounter features a full-size Noah?s Ark, built according to
the dimensions given in the Bible. Spanning 510 feet long, 85 feet
wide, and 51 feet high, this modern engineering marvel amazes
visitors young and old.

Known land animal species =
Insects: 1 million+ species

Takes about 7 species to reboot ALL the DNA - seriously, dumb fuck!

Um ... better take a few bio night-courses.
Beetles do not produce grasshoppers do not
produce centipedes. The DNA bits do not just
recombine into a million other distinct
species - esp in a short time.
Oh wait ... "GAWD *WILLED* IT !!!" :-)
"Discussions" like this are why everybody should just
drop the religion BS entirely. "Reasoning" using mythos
as axioms, castles built upon clouds ...... there's an
old computer-sci term "GIGO" - which means "Garbage IN =
Garbage OUT".

Figures. I bet you think AI is your Saviour.

Little@man.Ball

2024-04-21 21:11:44 UTC

On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 16:54:41 -0400

Post by ***@man.Ball
On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 18:36:44 +0000

Post by ***@man.Ball
On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 09:30:09 +1000

Post by Maximus
if you believe Noah's Ark really happened or is even possible

Known land animal species =
Insects: 1 million+ species

Takes about 7 species to reboot ALL the DNA - seriously, dumb fuck!

Um ... better take a few bio night-courses.

Better know that God has a full DNA set ready to deploy on the landing
site.

68hx.1806

2024-04-21 21:38:55 UTC

Post by ***@man.Ball
On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 16:54:41 -0400

Post by ***@man.Ball
On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 18:36:44 +0000

Post by ***@man.Ball
On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 09:30:09 +1000

Post by Maximus
if you believe Noah's Ark really happened or is even possible

Known land animal species =
Insects: 1 million+ species

Takes about 7 species to reboot ALL the DNA - seriously, dumb fuck!

Um ... better take a few bio night-courses.

Better know that God has a full DNA set ready to deploy on the landing
site.

Takes a lot more than DNA ... bodies are SYSTEMS and DNA
is only ONE working part. Everything interacts, co-evolved,
with everything else. A bucket of grasshopper DNA will not
yield one actual grasshopper. There are textbooks all about
this stuff ... do they still have "libraries" at colleges ?

Hey, pop the back on yer laptop or tablet. "The Code" can't
even be seen and then there are all those damned chips and
wires and crap - and it all has to work together to yield
an actual "laptop". Winders is NOT a computer.

Give up the religion - it's just manipulative crap from
the Stupid Ages.

Little@man.Ball

2024-04-21 21:54:26 UTC

On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 17:38:55 -0400

Post by 68hx.1806
Give up the religion - it's just manipulative crap from
the Stupid Ages.

The kingdom of God lies within.

Christ despised the Pharisees anyway.

68hx.1806

2024-04-21 22:16:56 UTC

Post by ***@man.Ball
On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 17:38:55 -0400

Post by 68hx.1806
Give up the religion - it's just manipulative crap from
the Stupid Ages.

The kingdom of God lies within.

No gods, no kingdoms, no 'divine will' ... nada.

Michael Christ

2024-04-21 22:19:22 UTC

Post by ***@man.Ball
On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 17:38:55 -0400

Post by 68hx.1806
Give up the religion - it's just manipulative crap from
the Stupid Ages.

The kingdom of God lies within.
Christ despised the Pharisees anyway.

No He didn't. He isn't like you!

If you want to look into His heart, look into this...

Luke 13:34 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and
stonest them that are sent unto thee; how often would I have gathered
thy children together, as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings,
and ye would not!

He died for them too!

Luke 23:34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not
what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.

Michael Christ
--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30 I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God, God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

"Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners."

"Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any
exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."

Little@man.Ball

2024-04-21 22:09:49 UTC

On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 17:38:55 -0400

Post by ***@man.Ball
On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 16:54:41 -0400

Post by ***@man.Ball
On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 18:36:44 +0000

Post by ***@man.Ball
On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 09:30:09 +1000

Post by Maximus
if you believe Noah's Ark really happened or is even possible

https://arkencounter.com/
Ark Encounter features a full-size Noah’s Ark, built according
to the dimensions given in the Bible. Spanning 510 feet long,
85 feet wide, and 51 feet high, this modern engineering marvel
amazes visitors young and old.

Known land animal species =
Insects: 1 million+ species

Takes about 7 species to reboot ALL the DNA - seriously, dumb fuck!

Um ... better take a few bio night-courses.

Better know that God has a full DNA set ready to deploy on the
landing site.

Takes a lot more than DNA ... bodies are SYSTEMS and DNA
is only ONE working part.

Do you not think engineering a woman from a man's ribs portends
similar in future?

HeartDoc Andrew

2024-04-21 22:42:21 UTC

"68hx.1806" aka Dewey wrote:

(...)

Post by ***@man.Ball
Better know that God has a full DNA set ready to deploy on the landing
site.

Takes a lot more than DNA ... bodies are SYSTEMS and DNA
is only ONE working part. Everything interacts, co-evolved,
with everything else. A bucket of grasshopper DNA will not
yield one actual grasshopper. There are textbooks all about
this stuff ... do they still have "libraries" at colleges ?
Hey, pop the back on yer laptop or tablet. "The Code" can't
even be seen and then there are all those damned chips and
wires and crap - and it all has to work together to yield
an actual "laptop". Winders is NOT a computer.
Give up the religion - it's just manipulative crap from
the Stupid Ages.

In the interim, I am simply wonderfully hungry (
https://bit.ly/RapidTestCOVID-19 ) for food right now and hope you,
Dewey, and others reading this, also have a healthy appetite for food
right now too.

So how are you ?

HeartDoc Andrew

2024-04-21 22:43:52 UTC

(DNA) 04/21/24 Again not a LoosePeeledQuackIdiot bigot ...

https://groups.google.com/g/sci.med.cardiology/c/Ai33hw5PINI/m/wytVpY68MwAJ

Instead be "woke" to the sin of racial prejudice:

https://tinyurl.com/JesusIsWoke (i.e. not a Nazi bigot) *and* risen!!!

Michael Christ

2024-04-21 02:31:35 UTC

Post by Maximus
I'm of the opinion that the more a person knows about
the christian faith, the less likely they are to believe in it.

That's just your narcissism and megalomania speaking though.

Mego Maximus

Post by Maximus
no observed fact. easy to be christian is you believe everything
your told, and don't question anything

No, that is just your narcissism and megalomania speaking, in the
"full of yourself" superficial mindbogglingly stupid ignorance and
arrogance, Moronimus Maximus.
Other than that, it is all good.

Michael,
With a God, I can imagine a universe that is vastly, vastly different
than the one that we are living in now in almost innumerably
different ways.

Immeasurably.
This universe is already dead, so obviously. It is only an appearance
of "living." Death is not just in the grave; marching towards the
grave is death. Our cells tell you from the moment we are born that
the replacing cells are not quite the same, as good, as the original.

Post by Dawn Flood
As it is, things seem to me to be far too "natural".
Dawn

so are you saying personality is from some sort of God presence within?

"Personality" is who you are—infinitely complex, diverse, and unique—a
one-of. However, humans are made in the image of God. Animals are not.
In other words, animals are devoid of morality (equal rights, right and
wrong, etc.), purpose, meaning, the understanding, or knowing about life
and death, that they are going to die.

And no science equation can ever or will ever be able to explain
that—that tells you there is more than science.

Post by Maximus
if so what about animals? they have personalities too. do they too have
some divine presence within?

Personality does not come from an explosion, a rock collision, or some
chemical reaction you can "magic" in a science lab. If it did, we'd have
a shop in every village, town, city, and country on earth selling it.

Animals have uniqueness, but they don't have the image of God in them
that humans do.

Nevertheless, animals—every animal has a unique quality of behaviour
that I suppose you could call a personal-ity, rather, an individuality."
But then so is every plant unique.

What does that say about the Creator? He did amazing "painting." He
splashed His paint everywhere as an expression of who and what He is,
but we pollute it with our own ways, wants, and wills—our free will.

Life is full of God's expression. Sure, He put his personal image in
man, but that is not the end of the matter; it is through the whole
universe. Michelangelo is long gone, but his presence in his paintings
goes on. Only God is not dead. And all the physics in the universe can't
explain why physics does not have the answer to why and how it got there.

You know from the things that were made that your Creator is the answer,
because He is also the question.